São Tomé and Príncipe: 20 centavos 1971, km16.2 to be separated from km16.1, please (DONE) [solved]

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The designs are the same and that's all!

the km16.1 weighs 2.47g and has a diameter of 18.04mm
the km16.2 weighs 1.80g and has a diameter of 16.08mm

Thanks for doing this.
Ole
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Agree. Should be separated. You meant KM# 16.1/16.2, not 26.
RightX-D
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Agreed. We should also look at separating the 50 centavos. Strangely, this coin got larger, not smaller in 1971.
Former Numista referee for banknotes from Ireland, Northern Ireland, Scotland, Wales and Saint Helena.
Did someone contact monge? He is the referee for São Tomé and Príncipe.
I'm not orange and also in other things I'm not a Donald at all. DonChori like Don Felipe or Doña María, por favor.
Nope, I didn't.
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I see no problem in separating the two coins, except that there are more than 400 members with both coins.
As referee I cannot date (or type) line when someone owns the coin.

As a matter of fact the Portuguese Catalogue Alberto Gomes, 2021) has different references:
1962 -- R 10.01
1972 -- R 11.01
Referee to Old Portuguese colonies
Quote: "monge"​I see no problem in separating the two coins, except that there are more than 400 members with both coins.
​As referee I cannot date (or type) line when someone owns the coin.

​As a matter of fact the Portuguese Catalogue Alberto Gomes, 2021) has different references:
​1962 -- R 10.01
​1972 -- R 11.01

​Can't you just pass to the boss? We don't want new km#, just a split up from having a km16 into km16.1 and km16.2! All owners will stay as is!
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1. Create new page for KM16.2 same as for KM16.1 except for changes to weight, diameter, etc.

2. Modify page for KM16.1 (change reference, comments, year line comments, new link to KM16.2, etc.).

3. Request Admin (usually pejounet) to move KM16.2 members to new page and delete the 1971 year line.

POC I'll work it tomorrow.

Do you have pictures of the 1971 I can use?

Edit: Just finished 1. and 2. Still need to add pictures to 1. Will work 3. when new page is validated.
20 centavos 1971

50centavos


I got the 20 centavos the 13th of January this year, hence my problem with numista. Now I can't find the coin, so the image is from the internet with no ownership, so no copyright.
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Thanks.

Weight for the 50c 1971?
Just changing the battery in my watch. When back I'll tell you.
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50 cts 62 3.95g 19.87mm 1.66mm coin plain
50 cts 71 4.42g 22.55mm 1.59mm coin plain
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Thanks. Do you like your diameters better than what's in SCWC?
Quote: "rsirian1"​Thanks. Do you like your diameters better than what's in SCWC?
​Mine are coming from my tools....
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thats it, thanks
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POC I'll work it tomorrow

What is POC?
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Piece of Cake
Easy = POC?

POC = Person Of Color
POC = POC American Fusion & Sushi

That was easy to guess,!
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Quote: "rsirian1​"​3. Request Admin (usually pejounet) to move KM16.2 members to new page and delete the 1971 year line.


​No problem as usual, once pages are created and ready just let me know and I'll move members.
Sapientiae plerumque stultitia est comes.
Si c'est un grand plaisir d'être reconnu par ses amis, c'est peut-être encore plus flatteur d'être reconnu par ses adversaires.
Be yourself; everyone else is already taken.
Quote: "Sjoelund"​Easy = POC?

​POC = Person Of Color
​POC = POC American Fusion & Sushi

​That was easy to guess,!
​Yep, easy as in "easy as pie."
Quote: "Sjoelund"​50 cts 62 3.95g 19.87mm 1.66mm coin plain
​50 cts 71 4.42g 22.55mm 1.59mm coin plain
​Schön catalogue states:
50 Cts 1962: 20 mm, 4 g
50 Cts 1971: 22.5 mm, 4.5 g
I would prefer those because the the weight and diameter of coins always have some little deviation from the standard. The measured values may be exact if your scale is good but the average values (that should be mentioned in the catalog) may differ a bit from the values of single coins. I think the Schön values are well researched AND they fit well to your measured values. Just my opinion.
I'm not orange and also in other things I'm not a Donald at all. DonChori like Don Felipe or Doña María, por favor.
Quote: "DonChori"
Quote: "Sjoelund"​50 cts 62 3.95g 19.87mm 1.66mm coin plain
​​50 cts 71 4.42g 22.55mm 1.59mm coin plain
​​Schön catalogue states:
​50 Cts 1962: 20 mm, 4 g
​50 Cts 1971: 22.5 mm, 4.5 g
​I would prefer those because the the weight and diameter of coins always have some little deviation from the standard. The measured values may be exact if your scale is good but the average values (that should be mentioned in the catalog) may differ a bit from the values of single coins. I think the Schön values are well researched AND they fit well to your measured values. Just my opinion.
​For the 1962 I kept it as 20mm, 3.95g (as per SCWC).
For the 1971 I'll switch to 22.5mm, 4.5g on the page submission.
The average values are not shown in numista, normally it's the foreseen measurements of the coins (specifications from the state to their mint producing facilities), which in the minted end product might be correct as foreseen, but quite a lot of times the goal is never achieved.... then what? Anyway it's not worth a long discussion, but quite often you find unc coins with a 1% less mass as foreseen.
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Quote: "pejounet"
Quote: "rsirian1​"​3. Request Admin (usually pejounet) to move KM16.2 members to new page and delete the 1971 year line.
​​

​​No problem as usual, once pages are created and ready just let me know and I'll move members.
​Thanks. I'll submit requests on this forum so they're easy to keep track of.
This request is completed. The status should be changed to DONE.
Status changed to Solved (Sjoelund, 1 Mar 2022, 17:30)

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