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Ok, I have NEVER cleaned coins! I always heard it was a really bad idea and I definitely didn't know what I was doing.
But I found the Cleaning Coins doc under the Numisdoc and read it.

I love buying old lots of random crap. It may not be profitable, but it's fun!
I hate coming across what I think is a cool coin, that is crap-coated, it brings no pleasure.

I just got a lot of silver German 1/2 marks. Not worth a lot. The abrasion isn't bad. But somebody stored these things in used baby diapers. Absolutely no satisfaction.
I bit the bullet.
I actually use Baking Soda Toothpaste.
Grabbed the coins, put a dab on each side, turned the faucet to luke warm, grabbed a terry cloth, and rubbed each coin a minute on each side with my finger. Squeezed dry with cloth.
Pretty satisfied.

Now is where you tell me a year from now, I will pull the 2x2 card for one of these coins and there will be nothing but baking soda and silver dust left in them! :)


The one on the left is not all that bad and I decided not to clean it. The one on the right was way worse.

My collection is actually getting large enough that I am getting pickier. I have some nice stuff that looks like ass. No, not patina. Just crap lodged in between all the detail.
I'm tempted to find the worst of the coins and clean them up.

Really bad idea or just a regular bad idea?
I’m going to go with really bad idea. Once you clean it you can never go back but at the same time it’s your collection and you should be able to do with your stuff whatever you want. I would recommend alternatives though that are less abrasive like ms70 for example it does a great job and when used properly won’t damage the coin but make it much more eye appealing if that’s your end goal.

Matt
Quote: "Myeackle"​I’m going to go with really bad idea. Once you clean it you can never go back but at the same time it’s your collection and you should be able to do with your stuff whatever you want. I would recommend alternatives though that are less abrasive like ms70 for example it does a great job and when used properly won’t damage the coin but make it much more eye appealing if that’s your end goal.

​Matt
​What is ms70?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheldon_coin_grading_scale
That is the Sheldon scale for giving a number to a coin grade.
Presumably that is where the cleaner got its name from.


MS-70 coin brightener and cleaner liquid is a blend of industrial detergents and surfactants
designed to remove surface contamination from metal without disturbing the metal surface itself.
Token collector [1600-1899] with some coins
I have this coin on the left which would be PO1 grade ...

Just about see the base of the portrait on obverse,
and the horizontal line on reverse.
Not worth cleaning - with anything. It would cost more
than a penny to clean that penny. (8

Token collector [1600-1899] with some coins
I applaud you interest on the subject, but do not recommend any thing that involves toothpaste, baking soda, brushes or cloths. They leave evidence of the cleaning.
About 10 years ago I was going through a period of low income, and wanted to expand my understanding of coins and collecting. Fortunately, my local dealer (greatest guy in the world) was so busy with higher end coins that he just couldn't deal with cheap foreign coins.
So he just dumped them into buckets and sold them for 10 cents apiece. From those buckets, I've put together a type collection of world coins of almost 2500 examples for less than $250.

My financial situation improved, and I don't mind spending much more for a coin, but I learned how to spot an improperly cleaned coin. And many of my properly conserved Morgans have been acceptable to the TPG without notation on the label.

Here are a couple more of my ten cent learning pieces.











A smart man learns from his mistakes.  A smarter man learns from someone else's.
Quote: "ZacUK"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheldon_coin_grading_scale
​That is the Sheldon scale for giving a number to a coin grade.
​Presumably that is where the cleaner got its name from.


​MS-70 coin brightener and cleaner liquid is a blend of industrial detergents and surfactants
​designed to remove surface contamination from metal without disturbing the metal surface itself.
​I will order a bottle!
I don't think I would ever try it with a copper coin. Copper is so weird. It reacts to everything.
I could feel the baking soda toothpaste was almost too abrasive.
One of those coins, I couldn't even read the mintmark. It was a 1905J 1/2mark. Could barely make out the year. It was just massively dirty.
After cleaning it, I would grade it at a VF. The detail was still in the leaves. All the lines in the eagle. No dents or big scratches. It is a great coin!
I think I just need to be very judicious in my choices of coins. I think this coin was a good choice.
Quote: "Kurt53"​I applaud you interest on the subject, but do not recommend any thing that involves toothpaste, baking soda, brushes or cloths. They leave evidence of the cleaning.
​About 10 years ago I was going through a period of low income, and wanted to expand my understanding of coins and collecting. Fortunately, my local dealer (greatest guy in the world) was so busy with higher end coins that he just couldn't deal with cheap foreign coins.
​So he just dumped them into buckets and sold them for 10 cents apiece. From those buckets, I've put together a type collection of world coins of almost 2500 examples for less than $250.

​My financial situation improved, and I don't mind spending much more for a coin, but I learned how to spot an improperly cleaned coin. And many of my properly conserved Morgans have been acceptable to the TPG without notation on the label.

​Here are a couple more of my ten cent learning pieces.














​Love your quote! It is one of my 2 go to quotes.
The other being: The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was to convince everybody he didn't exist.-Kaiser Souze

So, what did you clean them with? I have noticed certain coins with a film on them. I kind of figured they just went thru the wash. I am worried about the baking soda residue but it shouldn't react with the coin. I hope.
My thought is, I would rather have a residue that doesn't hurt the coin than a layer of crud that may react with the coin and prevents you from appreciating it at all. I look at it as swapping one problem for another and lessening the problem.

Gosh, I would love your local dealer. I can afford to buy higher end coins. I don't like to.
I like buying bulk packages, mystery estate lots, unknowns. That is where I got these 24 German 1/2 marks from. $48 total and I got an Irish mint set along with a stack of banknotes. Had no idea what was in the lot. Pics were too bad.
This is the fun part for me.
But it really kills the fun when you get your hands on a great little coin that is so nasty, it takes 3 different magnifiers over 10 mintues for me to figure out what the heck it is. And really, it should be an F if I could just get the crud off.

That's me. Always trying to salvage something out of nothing just cuz.

Thanks for the pics!
Quote: "bobbyhiii"​Ok, I have NEVER cleaned coins! I always heard it was a really bad idea and I definitely didn't know what I was doing.
​But I found the Cleaning Coins doc under the Numisdoc and read it.

​I love buying old lots of random crap. It may not be profitable, but it's fun!
​I hate coming across what I think is a cool coin, that is crap-coated, it brings no pleasure.

​I just got a lot of silver German 1/2 marks. Not worth a lot. The abrasion isn't bad. But somebody stored these things in used baby diapers. Absolutely no satisfaction.
​I bit the bullet.
​I actually use Baking Soda Toothpaste.
​Grabbed the coins, put a dab on each side, turned the faucet to luke warm, grabbed a terry cloth, and rubbed each coin a minute on each side with my finger. Squeezed dry with cloth.
​Pretty satisfied.

​Now is where you tell me a year from now, I will pull the 2x2 card for one of these coins and there will be nothing but baking soda and silver dust left in them! :)


​The one on the left is not all that bad and I decided not to clean it. The one on the right was way worse.

​My collection is actually getting large enough that I am getting pickier. I have some nice stuff that looks like ass. No, not patina. Just crap lodged in between all the detail.
​I'm tempted to find the worst of the coins and clean them up.

​Really bad idea or just a regular bad idea?
​Firs of all the decision is yours to make, after all is your collection and you decide how you collect your coins. Of course the are some guidelines but at the end you are the one who's gonna enjoy the end work. Not so long ago I watched this video to help me have a better idea on what to do. Right now, I don't have a rigid set of rules to decide which coin to clean and which one to leave it like that, I guess I take every coin on case by case situation. I think my general rule is if a coin has a good deep story I keep it the way it is, if not, I clean it to revive it and bring out its original glory.

Hope it helps!
bobbyhiii,
You ask more questions than I can quickly answer. Often a conundrum for technicians that need to find a balance between learning and teaching.
But let me share a few thoughts..

The Portuguese 40 Reis, Nepalese 1 Piasa and Russian 1 Kopek were treated almost entirely with chemicals.
The others were very harshly dealt with physically. They are not acceptable in the commercial market. The Cuban coin has a serious dent so it will never have any value as a coin. And one would have to be a real Tyro to conclude that the Syrian coin had not been cleaned.

What, and why...

The what, is cleaning crud off of low value coins to expose their features and make them more pleasing to look at.
The why, is to learn about coins and coin “cleaning.”
By making a coin more pleasing to the eye, I can add one to my type collection, share one with the the check-out girl or spark interest in nusmismatics in my Nephew. For 10 cents.
And once you have done some coin “cleaning” you will know how to recognize cleaned coins. This may pay big dividends later.

Of those that were harshly dealt with physically, they are now in my type collection, when most people would have thrown them away.
And when I say physically dealt with, I mean the crud was scraped off after it was chemically softened.

I always start with a short bath in acetone. It will never hurt a coin and removes oils and contaminants that would not only damage the coin over time, but also impair the efficacy of other chemical treatments. I buy acetone by the gallon.

This old photo show my basic tools.



Notes:
The shot glass. When you fill it with acetone, and drop in the coin, the coin is only touched by the rim. Larger similarly shaped glassware is suitable for larger coins.
Chemicals. I use Coin Care, Verdi-Care, olive oil, Hoppe's #9, WD-40, E-Z-Est and MS-70. Every one is different, and each will produce different results. Experiment. On 10 cent coins. Observe and learn.
Scrapers. The most gentle is an artists brush. Used to brush away crud loosened by chemicals. Harsher is the tooth pick. When I use one, It must be sharpened (hence the pen knife,) and soaked in the chemical being used to clean the coin in order to soften the fibers.
Agate slabs. They are used to cover the glassware so as to inhibit the evaporation of expensive chemicals.

Now... If you can put a jeweler's loupe into the socket of your dominant eye, hold your coin by the rim and remove loose crud with a sharpened, softened toothpick, paint brush, Q-tip, or rose thorn, you are well on the road to understanding coin cleaning.

Aside from the fun and feeling of accomplishment you get when you salvage an ugly clump and transform it into a respectful artifact, you have also learned a process.
And when your dream coin is available at a price too good to pass up, you might be able to tell the seller, “I'm sorry but the color is off, it has been chemically treated, there are hairlines where common crud should be, and this is a cleaned coin.”

The last coin I purchased was $2600, and did so with confidence, because I know what I am doing and learned on 10 cent coins.
A smart man learns from his mistakes.  A smarter man learns from someone else's.
Tip: as soon as the coin has unevenly cleaned areas, I highly recommend treating the clean ones with some kind of fat (even butter) before putting it back into the acid. Then more dirty or oxide areas will be processed, while clean ones will not. Then the acid will not be able to eat the patina and metal. With due skill and patience, the result is gorgeous

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