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Quote: "s57g57"A new printing factory was opened in 2007 (this is stated on the official website of the BOT: https://www.bot.or.th/English/Banknotes/production_and_security/Pages/Historyof_NPT.aspx). I was unable to find information about a certain new printing factory opened in 2012-2013. Does anyone have reliable information about this? Do you want to say that the printing factory, built in 2007, not worked for 5 years? Or for 5 years they could not transfer production from one place to another? Equipment for the production of banknotes are piece and very expensive. Judging by the quality of Thai banknotes, they were produced on Super Simultan IV. Are you saying that there are several such printing machines in Thailand?
Topicstarter, can you show the official response from BOT?
I am not sure what you didn't understand from what I originally wrote, but I never mentioned any dates about when the new printing facility opened. The information that I obtained said that P-119 50baht was the first note printed at the new facility. If the information on things are reliable that would be 3 years from the opening of the new print works and the release of P-119. I have no explanation for that. Knowing how things operate here in Thailand, I don't see that as highly unusual. I might be able to provide screen shots of the conversation, however you would need to be able to read Thai. If you use LINE app, I can give you the ID of the BOT account that was set up for people to ask questions about these things.
1) You wrote: "In 2013, Thailand was in the process of changing from series 15 to series 16."
No, not in 2013, the banknotes of the 16th series began to be printed in 2011 and 50 baht appeared in circulation on January 18, 2012
https://www.bot.or.th/English/Banknotes/HistoryAndSeriesOfBanknotes/Pages/50_16.aspx
Currently, banknotes of the 17th series are in circulation, but the 15th series is also a legal tender. Is the "process of changing" still going on?
2) Let's do arithmetic like in school.
Series 16 banknotes were printed at the new factory, right? Production started in 2011. The latest issue (15 series) 20 baht and the first issue 20 baht of 16 series have the same signatures. This means that banknotes were printed at the same time (+/-). The head of the ВОТ was Dr. Prasarn Trairatvorakul. He took office in October 2010. With his signature, 2 banknotes (15 series) of 20 baht came out (not counting the variety). a) Thirachai Phuvanatnaranubala & Prasarn Trairatvorakul and b) Kittiratt Na-Ranong & Prasarn Trairatvorakul is our case. Kittiratt Na-Ranong took office as Minister of Finance on August 8, 2011. Thus, the 15th series banknote we are discussing could not have been printed before 2011. You write that the all notes of 16th series and 20 baht of the 15th series with the prefix T were printed at the new factory. So the other banknotes of the 15th series were printed in the old factory, right? A new printing factory was built in 2007. Question: What did the factory do from 2007 to 2011?
3) You wrote: "Before the 20 Baht (P-118) note was ready for printing, there was a need for more 20 baht notes. Using plates from P-109 they printed a small batch of 20's using the Thai ง and the English "T" as prefixes at the new facility."
Series 0 T - 9 T - 9999999 banknotes were printed. 100.000.000 banknotes - is this "small batch" in your opinion?
They did not have time to prepare printing plates, but they managed to make paper for 100 million banknotes, set up the production of old banknotes at a new factory and produce the entire circulation. I believe! (sarcasm)
4) You wrote: "If the information on things are reliable that would be 3 years from the opening of the new print works and the release of P-119"
Question: 3 years? Where did 3 years come from?
5) You wrote: "I might be able to provide screen shots of the conversation,"
Yes, please. All official responses are made on the letterheads of the organization with the name and signature of the answering person. Usually, such an answer can be downloaded in PDF format. I will be very grateful if you provide such a PDF file. (It's just that when I applied to the Bank of Thailand, the answer never came to me)
As an academic, I am assuming that your English skills are just plain lacking so I will provide responses that I hope you can understand.
1) You wrote: "In 2013, Thailand was in the process of changing from series 15 to series 16."
--- The 1000 baht series 16 was issued around 2015. So yes, 2013 is still considered a transition year from Series 15 to 16
No, not in 2013, the banknotes of the 16th series began to be printed in 2011 and 50 baht appeared in circulation on January 18, 2012
https://www.bot.or.th/English/Banknotes/HistoryAndSeriesOfBanknotes/Pages/50_16.aspx ----It took Thailand around 4 years to transition from series 15 to 16. What is your issue with year 2013?
Currently, banknotes of the 17th series are in circulation, but the 15th series is also a legal tender. Is the "process of changing" still going on?
------What is your point, if you have one? What does series 17 have to do with a special printing of a series 15 note? BTW, all BOT notes are still legal tender. Not one has been withdrawn or demonetized. Another weird thing, due to covid, there were series 15 notes (obviously no new signatures) that were issued to the public well after all series 17 notes were circulating.
2) Let's do arithmetic like in school.
Series 16 banknotes were printed at the new factory, right? Production started in 2011. The latest issue (15 series) 20 baht and the first issue 20 baht of 16 series have the same signatures. This means that banknotes were printed at the same time (+/-).
----This is not necessarily true. Basic wisdom would have us believe this, but this is Thailand.If you don't get this, I have two examples of signature sets that were printed even after new signature sets were printed in the millions
The head of the ВОТ was Dr. Prasarn Trairatvorakul. He took office in October 2010. With his signature, 2 banknotes (15 series) of 20 baht came out (not counting the variety). a) Thirachai Phuvanatnaranubala & Prasarn Trairatvorakul and b) Kittiratt Na-Ranong & Prasarn Trairatvorakul is our case. Kittiratt Na-Ranong took office as Minister of Finance on August 8, 2011. Thus, the 15th series banknote we are discussing could not have been printed before 2011. You write that the all notes of 16th series and 20 baht of the 15th series with the prefix T were printed at the new factory. So the other banknotes of the 15th series were printed in the old factory, right? A new printing factory was built in 2007. Question: What did the factory do from 2007 to 2011?----
Like I said before, published dates are not always reliable and here, just because they open a new building one year, they are not under any obligation to make it functional until they want to. This is Thailand.
3) You wrote: "Before the 20 Baht (P-118) note was ready for printing, there was a need for more 20 baht notes. Using plates from P-109 they printed a small batch of 20's using the Thai ง and the English "T" as prefixes at the new facility."
Series 0 T - 9 T - 9999999 banknotes were printed. 100.000.000 banknotes - is this "small batch" in your opinion?
They did not have time to prepare printing plates, but they managed to make paper for 100 million banknotes, set up the production of old banknotes at a new factory and produce the entire circulation. I believe! (sarcasm)
---- You are making up numbers here and making assumptions that you have no information about. As you can see from my photo, 7T was printed. There was no acknowledgement of 0T-6T or 8T-9T. Assuming a full run of 7T was printed, that would be 100,000,000 notes. In Thailand, that is very small compared to the print runs of most notes that are in the billions and tens of billions. Case in point, the 20 baht series 17 with Preedee Daochai signature was printed with a total run of around 1 billion notes. That is considered a very small run for 20 baht notes. "Small batches" may have a totally different meaning here in Thailand that what you are thinking a small batch should be considering there are plenty of notes from many countries printed in quantities of less than a half million.
4) You wrote: "If the information on things are reliable that would be 3 years from the opening of the new print works and the release of P-119"
Question: 3 years? Where did 3 years come from?
----2010-2007=3. Like I said before, if published dates are reliable, there are 3 years that seem to have no explanation as to what was happening.
5) You wrote: "I might be able to provide screen shots of the conversation,"
Yes, please. All official responses are made on the letterheads of the organization with the name and signature of the answering person. Usually, such an answer can be downloaded in PDF format. I will be very grateful if you provide such a PDF file. (It's just that when I applied to the Bank of Thailand, the answer never came to me)
----Who said anything about about official responses on letterhead? The BOT has an official LINE account (social media like FB messenger). People can submit questions to this account and get some information about banknotes. Since screenshots are saved as JPEGS usually, why convert to a PDF??One of the students at my university asked questions in Thai language. Also,can you read Thai?
You have to understand that Thailand does not always follow the norms of the world. There are many things about Thai banknotes that are still mysteries that are not ever clarified by the BOT. This is their policy. Even with the so-called "replacement notes", I am wondering what they replace as there are runs of these notes that don't appear to replace any of the regular notes with normal prefix schemes.
The bottom line here is that I have a banknote from a very special printing that was made under unusual circumstances. Unless another one of these notes is confirmed, there may never be more solid information about the one I have. My friend was told that according to BOT records, that very few of these notes are still "in circulation", meaning many have been turned in and destroyed with the regular worn out notes. There was some indication that there is a least one of these notes in the BOT museum but no confirmation and no indication of serial number. I think it is safe to say this note with the "T" is a definite rarity, anything else about the note will only be based on very incomplete information.
