Both are the same, except one is the basic coin and the other the piedfort. Not inconsistent to have the same images.
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Status changed to Rejected(pejounet, 4 Nov 2021, 02:30)
There is one coin, there are images of the coin. It can not be simultaneously in two articles, please read the first post twice.
It means, that if it suits one article, to put it in the other one is counterfeiting the catalog!
To understand this, it is just enough to follow Aristoteles's logics.
Quote: "cyprusalexander"There is one coin, there are images of the coin. It can not be simultaneously in two articles, please read the first post twice.
It means, that if it suits one article, to put it in the other one is counterfeiting the catalog!
To understand this, it is just enough to follow Aristoteles's logics.
Ok, let's take the practical approach here. I understand your logic, but if both coins look (almost) the same, I don't see a problem keeping both. Could you provice a more accurate picture for one of the coins? If so, you're free to upload it. If not, let's stick to what we currently have. It's better to have an image that represents the coin than no image at all.
Also, a piedfort coin only differs from a regular coin in thickness, so the view from above (which you see on the page) should be the same.
There is a mistake in this approach.
And these Jordan's coins are the picturesque example.
There were at least two dies, which were in use for Obv. size 29 mm.
with large dots, tall script
with small dots, lower and wider script.
All 5 known to me 50 dinars 17 g are of die with large dots at the moment, and I know many collectors who are looking for the small dots.
What if...piedforts were struck with the second die only? Then we have a fake!
What if in some time new data being found and the counterfeiting of the Numista catalog being disclosed?
This is just an example of why the fake images should be removed. The main reason is that Numista is a catalog. Catalog reflects reality. It is not a collection of fantasies of fairy tales. That is why the grey circles are a must for lack of data.
It can be understandable, how two articles were filled with images of the same coin. Numista has a contract with the auction house, to bring people to them it is good to make more links. But it does not mean, that when the mistake was indicated, it is still a must to counterfeit not only coin, but the relations with the auction house. A person reads an article, follows the link, opens account there, discovers that the article in Numista is about completely different item (sorry, I can differ the mass of 17 and 34 g, it is an absurd to write that the articles are the same) and stop any relations with counterfeiters.
But what is not clear, why the Numista team insists on keeping fakes, and hence produces intentional spoilage.
Side note about the grey circles. They inspire community to make contribution, and these actions increase the self-appraisal of collectors and the importance of the catalog.
Quote: "cyprusalexander"There is a mistake in this approach.
Ok
Quote: "cyprusalexander"But what is not clear, why the Numista team insists on keeping fakes, and hence produces intentional spoilage.
If everything is so bad, why are you still here?
Quote: "cyprusalexander"They inspire community to make contribution
And you do exactly the opposite. You just burn people down to make a point. The words you use (fake, asurd, counterfeiters, intentional spoilage) are unnecessary and uncalled for. Flies are caught with syrup, not with vinegar.
Quote: "cyprusalexander"There were at least two dies, which were in use for Obv. size 29 mm.
with large dots, tall script
with small dots, lower and wider script.
If you knew this from the beginning, why only mention it now? You can't expect people to take your insolent complaints seriously if you don't make clear what you think the problem actually is. The onus is now on you to provide links to images of these two dies. If you can't then a comment on the pages is required to make it clear that the same image has been used for both coins.
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Quote: "cyprusalexander"What if...piedforts were struck with the second die only? Then we have a fake!
What if in some time new data being found and the counterfeiting of the Numista catalog being disclosed?
Always complaining and caviling and then you come up with a lot of "what if"'s?
What if you would make a positive post? The answer: IT WOULD BE A MIRACLE.
Quote: "ceh2019" a comment on the pages is required to make it clear that the same image has been used for both coins.
Exactly. This is very easy to fix that should satisfy everybody. It should have been the original request and should have been accepted without question.
Quote: "cyprusalexander"There is a mistake in this approach.
The only mistake here is you. Every time I see a post with your name it's trouble. Always negative, always picking on someone or something.
Quote: "cyprusalexander"It can be understandable, how two articles were filled with images of the same coin.
The only difference between a coin and the piedfort of that coin is the thickness. Which you can't see with pictures from above, so what's the problem? I've seen the same pictures used for a coin and the silver proof issue of that coin. If that was the case here, you would have been right because these are two visible different coins. In this case, NOBODY can see the difference between the normal coin and the piedfort coin, so the pictures are suitable for both types.
Quote: "cyprusalexander"Numista has a contract with the auction house...
You're always complaining about the nonsense in our coin pages, but your posts are always full of nonsense too. Numista hasn't any contract with any auction house.
Bottom line: in two minutes I've found pictures and made a change request to replace the pictures of the regular coin. If you had done that yourself it took you much less time than writing all those nonsense here so I can only conclude you just like to make a scene on the forum, like always.
