Kingdom of Breifne Gold Notes

Ok i am not sure how to add this one. Someone who is more experienced with adding to the catalog please help me.

https://www.jmbullion.com/2021-1-200-oz-aurum-ireland-kingdom-of-breifne-gold-note/

Would seem to be best in Paper fantasy banknotes in Exonumia for Ireland. Follow an example for another country.

Will

That does not allow me to specify gold for composition.

I'd probably go with Bullion > Bars. This should allow you to specify metal composition, fineness, and weight, though Bars awkwardly has a field for diameter rather than dimensions; following examples of pages already existing, you can work around this by including dimensions in "Additional details" that opens when you choose "Rectangular" for shape.

As you mention, templates for paper exonumia will not give you fields for composition or weight, and that's absolutely important information on the piece.

I thought to add the US "Goldbacks" but I was never able to get a good image either with camera or scanner and didn't dig up a free image.

Here is an example of a page in Bars that is a similar item (1/100th oz gold bullion), though it lacks dimensions in the shape. Here is an example of a 1 oz bar that does include dimensions in the shape as I suggest.

Gold banknotes of Antigua and Barbuda are entered on Numista in banknote section, as they are legal tender. This Breifne note does not seem to qualify as bullion especially as I believe it is enclosed in polymer and I would not consider it a "bar". I would supply any information considered important (and not provided for in template) as comments. I would still recommend entering as paper exonumia.

Will

Despite being made of gold, not paper, being sold on a site called JM Bullion and marketing explicitly highlighting its appeal to gold buyers due to gold purity and content, it's not bullion, but paper? I don't follow your reasoning here, and I didn't know bullion required qualifications, I'll have to ask my dealer about that next time.

The face of a Utah Goldback (materially identical to the Breifne gold note in question, produced by the same company) says, "This Gold Coin Contains 1/x Troy Ounce 24K Gold", so it is self-described as a coin, of all things, suggesting that metal content is, again, the salient point here.

I grant you, it's not exactly a regular bar (ingot seems like a more apt term), but it's 110% not paper. It would appear that there are quite a few gold foil "notes" on the market these days, so maybe a section for that would make sense, though it would probably be dominated by the output of this one company. Part of my reasoning on prioritizing the gold content over the ability to enter dimensions is that I think it's more likely for users to attempt to search for gold items than 65x180mm items; putting the gold content in comments will hamper such searches.

Here are the search results in Fantasy Banknotes for "gold". Some of them do appear to have some gold included, but not a single page specifies gold content and only one specifies fineness. Are these primarily paper with a minor amount of gold, or are they gold foil?

Outsider, From https://www.goldenlifecards.com/gold-bank-notes: This 100 milligram [1/10 gram] 24 karat pure [.999 fine] "D'ORO EDUCATIONAL NOTE" was produced in 2017 by Valaurum, Inc., of Portland, Oregon, in a proprietary process that has multiple security and anti-counterfeiting features. The strict security features have prompted many nations to adopt Aurum and other Gold Notes as legal tender. This EDUCATIONAL Note is not legal U.S. currency but is composed of pure gold in a process by which vaporized gold is layered in a vacuum to polyester substrates. The result is a finished product that is durable and features multiple colors on the Note from red to purple, yellow, green, white and gold.

Vaporized gold? Would you call that bullion? Elsewhere on the page: the gold in this Aurum® Note is retrieved by completely burning off the polymer substrate so that what remains is .9999 fine gold. So the note is not 100% gold either.

I'd prefer to see Fantasy banknotes listed in Exonumia by themselves and not under Paper Exonumia.

What would you do with legal tender gold notes? Keep them in banknotes?

Numista has other examples of non-paper banknotes, including Notgeld of linen canvas.

If legal tender gold notes are banknotes, then the fantasy ones are banknotes too for the purpose of Numista.

Will

So i am still confused on where i should make the page for them.

Send a personal message to an Exonumia master referee asking advice. Several are listed on the Numista Team if you click link at bottom of any Numista page. To me, if a gold legal tender banknote is a banknote, a gold fantasy banknote is an Exonumia banknote.

Will

Hi,

My 2 cents on some of the points discussed:
- not legal tender then not a banknote (notgeld is generally different because of the intent behind)
- contains some inlayed/vaporized gold but, my opinion, not an investment purpose item...over 300% markup seems quite off in the "real" bullion market
- it is said to be "appealing" but it does not mean it is nor that it is bullion, it is presented as a mix of things
- JM Bullion naming does not validate the nature of the item: it is their trading name because they sell lots of bullion indeed but they also sell other products that are not
- educational/recreative/fun purpose then a fantasy piece.

You could still provide gold content in the general comment field, 0.005oz about $8-$9 at current spot.

Quote: "Coinman48"​​Vaporized gold? Would you call that bullion? Elsewhere on the page: the gold in this Aurum® Note is retrieved by completely burning off the polymer substrate so that what remains is .9999 fine gold. So the note is not 100% gold either.

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Well, the matter has been settled already (in your favor), but this is absurd reasoning. Under bullion bars and rounds there are plenty of items that are not 100% gold or 100% silver, but would hardly be disputed as bullion. Also not sure what vaporization vs melting really matters, gold is a chemical element and is therefore pretty much always exactly the same.