I got modification requests for coins of Siam, changing Birmingham Mint to Heaton's Mint. The catalog book I have says that only this 4 coins are minted by Heaton's Mint, while the other they just use "Birmingham Mint" (unspecified). In some cases, it says "import from UK" without specifying the Mint. The Siamese coins struck by "Birmingham Mint" are around 1887~1921. I don't have enough info how many mints are in Birmingham at that time, but if the two mints are the same could the admin please merge them?
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If the Wikipedia article is to be believed, these were the same mint. It's generally refered to as Heaton (probably because they used the H mintmark) and I think it would be best to merge "Birmingham Mint" into "Heaton's Mint" since there were at least two other mints in Birmingham, King's Norton and Soho.
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As I tried to read the book, and wiki carefully, there are 4 more coins of Siam minted by "Birmingham Mint" in 1875~1883.
Wikipedia says H mint had dominated the industry of minting coins when KN mint was founded in 1889.
Soho Mint ended in 1850.
If H mint was the only mint in 1875~1883. It is likely that "Birmingham Mint" is H mint and sholud be merged.
Or possibly other mint in Birmingham at the time?
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The way I read the Wikipedia article, it seemed quite clear that the Birmingham Mint, started by Ralph Heaton, is a separate business to Ralph Heaton & Son, started by Ralph Heaton II, which later became Ralph Heaton & Sons when Ralph Heaton II and Ralph Heaton III were joined by the second son, George. Consequently, the two mints should not be merged but it might be useful if further detail was added to the links to differentiate the two.
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In 1817 Heaton's fourth son Ralph Heaton II (1794–1862) established a new company within the premise of his father's business; which by then had relocated to nearby Shadwell Street. Like his father, Heaton II focused mainly on producing brass fittings and in the foundry of metals, however as a former apprentice die-maker Heaton II also worked to produce dies. By 1847 Heaton II's business was renamed Ralph Heaton and Son when Ralph III joined his father. A few years later in 1853 the business became Heaton and Sons when his other son George also joined. This name was retained until 1889.
This describes the start of the mint. Ralph senior's business wasn't making coins. The article doesn't say what name replaced "Heaton and Sons" in 1889 but, if it was "Birmingham Mint", we should have a single mint which mentions both names.
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Also, Wiki says that the first order of circulation coins was from Chile, ½ centavo and 1 centavo coins which dated 1851.
PS. A fuuny thing I found is some pattern coins of Iran, dated around 1830, are produced by Birmingham Mint (1850~). Don't know whether the mint or the date is wrong...
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Topic moved to "Numista coin catalogue"(Xavier, 16 May 2022, 16:58)
Status changed to Accepted(pejounet, 26 Jul 2022, 04:03)
Heaton and Sons changed its name on March 22, 1889 for The Mint Birmingham Limited so both should be merged and have alternative names visible/searchable which is not the case currently. Once possible to indicate alternative names, this will be done.
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