Greece 100 Drachmes 1990 entry doesn't make any sense [solved]

The numista page for the extremely common 100 drachmes is really unusual. Numista lists the 1990 date as "w/o inner circle" without having an entry for the opposing version, the "w/ inner circle"

https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces568.html

The coin featuring the inner circle seems to be the scarcer version, as it realized 5 EUR on this auction listing below.

https://www.numisbids.com/n.php?p=lot&sid=3295&lot=8309

Also I have 10 of this coin and only one has the inner circle. I strongly suggest to add another entry for the 1990 date with the following text "w/ inner circle next to beaded border along the rim" as in its current form the entry doesn't make any sense without listing the other variety.

My coin is exactly like the one in the above link except it's in a bit worse grade.

Kind regards,
nucleus

Please provide a link to the Numista entry. You already have the link, don't make everyone else search for it.

Quote: "bjherbison"​Please provide a link to the Numista entry. You already have the link, don't make everyone else search for it.

​my bad, sorry

https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces568.html

Thank you for the link.

A simple improvement for the page is to change the comment for 1990 to say there are two types, and then describe the types in the Comments section (preferably with a picture).

I think a separate year line would be reasonable, but different editors have different opinions on what should have a separate line.

Does you coin have an extra ring on both sides (as with the link you provided)?

I don't see any coins that match the NumisBids image on eBay, but I did find another edge variety:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/254823787799

Quote: "bjherbison"​I don't see any coins that match the NumisBids image on eBay, but I did find another edge variety:
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​https://www.ebay.com/itm/254823787799

​I can confirm, I own the smooth edge variety as well. There appears to be a varying degree of the smoothness, it's clearly a weak strike and not a design variety. I believe this variety is less important than the one I'm asking a modification for, as the extra circle seems to be an intentional design but this is just a private opinion of mine

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sorry I messed up, I found a similar version but for the date 1990. It looks like more dates have this weak strike issue

Quote: "bjherbison"​Thank you for the link.
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​A simple improvement for the page is to change the comment for 1990 to say there are two types, and then describe the types in the Comments section (preferably with a picture).
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​I think a separate year line would be reasonable, but different editors have different opinions on what should have a separate line.
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​Does you coin have an extra ring on both sides (as with the link you provided)?

​Modern greek coinage of the 70's through 90's can be considered boring, because they have huge mintages, very few years and not many variants in design or metal. I truly believe that this variant is a breath of fresh air for modern greek coinage and deserves its own entry. Many collectors would be happy to search their coins again to look for this little known variety.

How I see it documentation wise, either we have two year lines? or stay with just one, but in the line comment "2 variants exist; see comments section above".

Up to you, if should I make a change request, it would be nice to hear your opinion on the year line question first? I'm waiting for you.

Take care

Quote: "Sjoelund"​
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​How I see it documentation wise, either we have two year lines? or stay with just one, but in the line comment "2 variants exist; see comments section above".
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​Up to you, if should I make a change request, it would be nice to hear your opinion on the year line question first? I'm waiting for you.
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​Take care

​Nice job Ole, it's weird seeing my name on one of these famous edits of yours:)

First let me point out a smaller mistake with the image: I own a total of 11x 1990 drachmas. And the coins with no inner circle have absolutely no inner circle, not even vague. Not a trace of it (exactly like the original image on the 100 drachm page)

So I would consider the coin on the right to be an inner circle version also, but perhaps a vague version. I would say either add a third, normal coin to the image, or swap the right image to the clean, no inner circle version from the numista page.

If you're interested in my opinion regarding the year line: Just as I detailed my opinion in the above posts, I'd say the coin deserves its own year line, because Greek coins of the late 20th century are a bit boring.. I mean collection-wise. The coins are common, everyone has them yet it turns out that a very obvious variety exists that doesn't appear to be a minting error, the circle is so strong, so thick and pronounced, it really looks intentional. It's a nice touch and makes the coin appear more elegant. I vote for seperate entry.

Do you have high-res images of both sides of the 1990 coin without the inner circle, the one in numista is a 1992 I seem to remember, but I need a 1990!

No need to have the intermediate, vague circle (it might be that the circle was intentional, but that it got filled up with something during the minting process and then the die was changed to have no circle from 1992 and onwards?

Take care

Quote: "Sjoelund"​Do you have high-res images of both sides of the 1990 coin without the inner circle, the one in numista is a 1992 I seem to remember, but I need a 1990!
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​No need to have the intermediate, vague circle (it might be that the circle was intentional, but that it got filled up with something during the minting process and then the die was changed to have no circle from 1992 and onwards?
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​Take care

​I currently can't take a photo because it's nighttime and only daylight works for me. But I think we're free to use the photos from Dimitri's site since he gave me permission to use the photos of the 100 drachma H_ variant too. What do you think, I think he would allow us to use all his photos but I don't want to bother him again.

The photos are here:
https://greekcoins-eshop.gr/product/100-1990-unc/

On the other question:
the die was changed to have no circle from 1992 and onwards?
Yep this is entirely possible as the inner circle seems to only persent on the 1990 coin. I'm sure Dimitri would have listings for any non-1990 inner circle coins but he doesn't (check here https://greekcoins-eshop.gr/product-category/nomismata/ellinika-nomismata/50/100/)
Note that sold out coins still remain on his store so it's a good indicator for my suspicion.

Ole, here are high resolution scans (1200 dpi) of the 1990 coin without a circle. You can use them if you want.



A variety so clear to see deserves his own year line. I would omit that vague line, that might be a minting error in stead of variety.

Thanks Essor,

I'll use the tomorrow, now it's dodo time

Nucleus, do you want me to make the CR (Change Request) or do you do it yourself?

Quote: "Sjoelund"​
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​Nucleus, do you want me to make the CR (Change Request) or do you do it yourself?

​I'm afraid I don't really know how to make a CR so I would be grateful if you do it, thanks!

and please do this one too:
https://en.numista.com/forum/topic113254.html