I'm not sure is this a right forum, because it may be a question of identification, but this variant isn't listed in two available to me catalogs (Krause #11 with no mention of variations, Kopicki #9606) so it may be unlisted anywhere, or it may be just an imitation.
I have 4 draipolkers from Elbing mint of 1630 but only this one is different from others and from what I can see on ma-shops.com listing: there is a solid line above Z4 in orb instead of dots line. On other side there is a small difference too: double dot after final S instead of one dot in other exemplars.
So the questions is: does that mean this is a different mintage OR such variations may be in one mintage (spoilage, damage etc) OR this may be a falsification?
The Gorecki catalog has the varieties of these poltoraks, but I do not have it.
Looking at the WCN archive, and the OneBid archive, I cannot find this variety. You could try logging on to WCN (www.wcn.pl)and sending a question and photos to Mr. Kondrat. They are currently on vacation but in the past, I have found they will respond to this type of request if they have the time.
Have a nice day and health.
This is a really special question for someone who is fully dedicated to these particular coins.
I just want to say: it is not damage to impairment nor counterfeiting, it's just a variant. not all variants are recorded.
I can't help you just with interest last night, at one of the auctions I wanted to buy similar ones only from another mint, The price for 9 pieces was 28 USD -quite cheap, only I didn't want to add anymore, so I lost by one crown ( I intended more for another coin, and fortunately I won it) so just for you that they are the same and yet the 30 at the bottom right is also different from the others.
Georg Wilhelm- poltorak aukce- Loss by 1 CZK -not won
and this is the 30:
I know it's a different coin just to inform you that there are differences here too, so it's always about variants.
I have now looked at 15 examples on WCN, over 20 examples on eBay, and my 1630 Elbing dreipolker, and all of them have the dots (jewels?) on the bands of the orb.
So I think we can say your variant is unusual (though this does not necessarily mean it is valuable)
Quote: "tdziemia"You could try logging on to WCN (www.wcn.pl)and sending a question and photos to Mr. Kondrat. They are currently on vacation but in the past, I have found they will respond to this type of request if they have the time.
Thanks a lot! I will do this.
Quote: "MIMAEL"30 at the bottom right is also different from the others.
It seems that 1, 3, 4, 8 and 9 have Sweden coat of arms, so they don't mention Georg Wilhelm of Prussia/Brandenburg. They mention Gustav Adolf or may mention other Swedish king/queen, depending on year. Such Swedish coins can be from Swedish government in Ebling, or from Riga.
Last one should be Royal issue from Ebling from 1635, not 1630, because there is queen Christine name (ruled 1632-1654). It listed in catalogs, and comparatively rare:
I wish you all the best.
So you see it and the seller said it-9x Georg Wilhelm. So you think I shouldn't save but throw in and win -I will run out of other wins on Thursday , so I have to regret this.
,,Demetrios,, -but here is the huge variety of these coins ,, Now imagine that sellers take risks when they don't know what they are selling,,
correctly should write "I do not know" so it can be at a disadvantage.
Thank you ,,Demetrios,, for learning, next time at least I will have an idea at the auction- what I won will arrive in the mail on Thursday and I am already looking for all sources, I play like a small child.
thanks and hello
Ivan
No, I don't think you should regret. It's always a roulette with such "collection" lots, especially when they are in bad/unclear condition. You can carefully examine every coin and find something interesting but it will cost you a lot of time. And this don't guarantee that you win a lot, because other buyers may do the same work, so they will compete up to catalog price. I've lose some lots this way: sellers don't know value but buyers do and they easily up price to the catalog level, so I've prefer to save (or just run out of my budget). Also it depends on focus of your collection: sometimes it is better to buy coin you need with catalog price (or even higher) than buy coins you don't need with very low prices.
I think it works really good only if you focus on a narrow theme and learn everything about it, so you can find something unusual by first glance. I've started my collection and reserach from Elbing(Sweden rule) and Koningberg(Prussia) draipolkers and solids, just because they are relatively cheap and there are a lot of such lots in my region, so there is a good chance to have big or even full collection. But I'm still confused, especially with Brandenburg/Prussia draipolkers, because there are a lot of variants and Krause in most cases doesn't work for identification.
