ID on confusing Edward Penny [solved]

Good match (obv) for N#55999, Sp1383 but rev expanding cross - nine such shown (Sp) for any Edward I, II or III. Any information very gratefully received

Weight 1.28g, diam 20mm

Hello Robert.
This might help if you look at the Site below you may be able to find what Edward your penny is I will also try to ID as I have quite a few Edward I,II,III Silver Penny's and find them very interesting but there are so many types it takes me quite a while to identify them.

https://www.rodblunt.com/edwardian-pennies


Ian.

Ian, Thanks very much for that. Not aware of site until today - thank you. Will read with interest

As you say, interesting but confusing as well!

THanks again

Good Morning Robert.
I have looked at your Penny and I think it is a Edward I Type 7b Sp# 1404 if you can just make out a Star at the nape of the Neck and the Crown is the correct configuration.

Ian.

Thanks once again Ian. I really appreciate you interest and comments.

Very best regards,

Kevin

Hello Kevin my apologies for calling you Robert . My interest in medieval and hammer coins goes back about 35 years when I received a Elizabeth I Shilling since then my collection has grown I have around 15to 20 silver pennies of edward I , II , III and identifying them was a quite interesting I no expert but have gained a bit of knowlage along the way. Glad to help.
Ian.

Thanks (and Hi!)

My interest in historic coins was also sparked by gift of EI shilling. I’ve 4/5 Edward pennies and they caused me much heart searching as I can change my assessment of ID quite easily! Your assessment of my coin is most useful and welcome. Thankyou for your interest. Suspect we will be in communication again. Best of luck and fortune
R Kevin Brown

@rkevinbrown We don't yet have a page for the Class 7b penny, feel free to submit a new page and I will add any missing detail or, if you want to PM me your best photos of both sides, I will create the page on your behalf.

That would need great. Thankyou. I’ll work on 2 good photos and send them. If I attach them to a forum message to you does that work ok? - resolution?

You can either post them here on this thread or, if you click on my username you will see my profile and you will also see a link to send me a message.

As discussed, the new page has been created here with library images from the Spink & Son website.

The key features that establish the classification of Robert's penny are:

1. The crescent-shaped abbreviation marks in the obverse legend, of which the one after R is clear. This establishes that the coin is of Group 3, as the mark is not found on Edward I/II pennies of any other group.
2. The use of the thick-waisted S, which, within Group 3, occurs only on pennies of 3f and 3g.
3. Coins of 3f have a broad face of coarse execution, with a large nose, while 3g coins have a smaller, smiling face.

Robert's coin has the smaller, smiling face of 3g.

There are several other features that help to corroborate the 3g classification, such as outwardly curving side-fleurs to the crown, letter-forms, etc. The best place to start the process of classifying an Edward I/II penny on my BC&A website (thanks for linking it above) is the 'Identification Aids' section.

Rod Blunt