Coinage of the Confederate States of America [solved]

The current Numista catalog listings for the Confederate States of America are woefully short.

A substantial number of coins were minted under the direction of the Confederate government--and/or under the direction of the State of Louisiana government, with the approval of the Confederate government.

These coins were minted using dies prepared in the Philadelphia Mint during December 1860, and were struck to the standards of U. S. coins--and especially for the coins minted in the New Orleans Mint, by the same Mint employees! After the New Orleans Mint returned to USA control, the coins were examined and found to meet USA standards, so were permitted to remain in circulation. The following coins LOOK like USA coins, but were struck by or for the CSA:

Half Dollar 1861-O (only 1 in 7 minted was struck under USA control)
Twenty Dollars Gold 1861-O

One Dollar Gold 1861-D (none were minted before Georgia joined the CSA)

I would agree that a separate section under the USA for the CSA is long overdue. Not so much for these coins, all of which bear the name of the USA, but for the banknotes, currently treated as a separate currency within the USA.

Leaving coins minted by the CSA listed only under the USA because of the name on the coin is not consistent with the treatment of other listings in the catalog. For example, see https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces83491.html , for which the coin in no way references Australia.

Notations that the coins were minted by the CSA are applicable in the USA listings, but leaving these out of the CSA listings gives the false impression that the CSA did not mint millions of dollars of coins. There are those that wish to give the impression that the South was too poor/backward/unstable to mint coins, other than the patterns.

Only the 1861-O half dollar has an appropriate notation in the USA listings. There is no comment for the 1861-O double eagle or the 1861 D gold dollar.

It is true that the CSA was never officially recognized by a foreign country, but neither was Biafra, Katanga, or similar but much smaller nations.

I agree with splitting the Confederate States from the United States.

I made a thread about creating this issuer--as well as splitting the Pre-federal states issuer--quite a while ago (pending since April of 2020). There has also been a more recent thread posted here. So... it is on the list, but country creations tend to take a while.

Don't forget to include the 1 Cent Civil War Tokens that were struck for circulation in the Confederate States of America as well.

Aidan.

Confederate states have just been created.

BCNumismaticsDon't forget to include the 1 Cent Civil War Tokens that were struck for circulation in the Confederate States of America as well.

Aidan.

Careful what you say.  This will open up a whole “can of worms” and I'll be leading the charge.

Peter M. Graham

BCNumismaticsDon't forget to include the 1 Cent Civil War Tokens that were struck for circulation in the Confederate States of America as well.

Aidan.

Careful what you say.  This will open up a whole “can of worms” and I'll be leading the charge.

 

 

Peter,

  As they circulated as coins, they deserve to be included.

 

Aidan.

 

Peter,

  As they circulated as coins, they deserve to be included.

 

Aidan.

I agree whole heartily!  

 

But, the United States of America produced hundreds (thousands?) of Civil War Tokens.  If only CSA CWT's are added, you can guarantee I'll be kicking up a fuss.

 

Currently, I do not submit new additions for any   notgeld / token / jeton / mereau because all CWT's currently reside in Exonumia - Unclassified - Miscellaneous.  I know this is a bit “salty” but, I've drawn my line in the sand.

Peter M. Graham

 

Peter,

  As they circulated as coins, they deserve to be included.

 

Aidan.

I agree whole heartily!  

 

But, the United States of America produced hundreds (thousands?) of Civil War Tokens.  If only CSA CWT's are added, you can guarantee I'll be kicking up a fuss.

 

Currently, I do not submit new additions for any   notgeld / token / jeton / mereau because all CWT's currently reside in Exonumia - Unclassified - Miscellaneous.  I know this is a bit “salty” but, I've drawn my line in the sand.

Are you asking for a new section in Exonumia for these tokens? If that's the case, it's my turn to agree whole heartedly.

BCNumismaticsDon't forget to include the 1 Cent Civil War Tokens that were struck for circulation in the Confederate States of America as well.

Aidan.

They would now be exonumia like the leprosy coins of Columbia and other countries like Venzuela, which I actually don't agree with. One of those Numista decisions….

Given that Xavier has put the guidelines up for discussion, this might be a good time to bring this kind of thing up. I've already made a proposal regarding issuers here.