Australian Silver Kookaburra 2004

Hi

I have a Australian Silver Kookaburra 1 kilo 30 Dollars coin from 2004, but I can not find it on Numista that looks like this. I know there is a 1 dollar and a 2 dollar coin also from 2004 that looks the same. Does anybody know about them?

I think the Numista page for KM# 882 has the wrong reverse image. NGC has the description for the reverse as, "Two kookaburras, one in flight" like yours. This page showing the KM# 882 has a reverse exactly like yours.

Yes rsirian1, you're right:



Probably a bit mixed up because Krause only mentions one date for these type of coins while Numista and other websites mention two dates.

Have you already made a change request?

I did not since I didn't have a photo of my own. I will if I have permission from the OP to use theirs.

Hmmm, Heritage Europe uses the same KM# number as Numista for this coin: https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=1423505

It's actually not my image, but one I found online.

I have attached some image of my coin, but it is difficult to take without getting a reflection from the coin. If they are good enough, then you are very welcome to use them.

Quote: "Essor Prof"​Hmmm, Heritage Europe uses the same KM# number as Numista for this coin: https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=1423505

​Curious. Coinscatalog.net has pictures of both the 2003 and 2004 coins, both with 2 birds.
https://coinscatalog.net/australia/coin-1-kg-silver-30-dollars-the-australian-kookaburra-km-882-silver-bullion-coins

I know (from your link in your first reply). Both can't be right. The question is who's wrong and who's not.

The reverse on the Numista page must be for KM# 880 minted in 2002 and 2003.

Edit: add picture

According to the description in Krause: yes. But why is Heritage Europe also wrong then? Or maybe they use Numista as a source?

You're probably right, they used Numista. We now have pictures of the same 2002 and 2003 reverses (one bird) tied to KM# 880 and the same reverses 2003 and 2004 (two birds) tied to KM# 882. If somebody assumed the years in Krause were correct, a coin with a Kookaburra on it with a 2003 must be a KM# 882 (if they missed the description). If Krause had listed the second year for each coin we would have no confusion since we have all 4 pictures. Numista is wrong. Heritage Europe is wrong.

Edit: ...and Numista doesn't have the KM# 880 in the catalog.

I follow your reasoning. If someone only looked at the date in Krause and not at the description, the consequence is a mistake in our catalog. And if Heritage Europe used Numista as a source they were wrong too. They have an auction next month and normally I'll be there. I know some guys there and I'll ask if they sometimes use Numista as a source.

Here is OP's picture you can use for a change request, cropped and in an upright position:

Thanks, I'll do that and add the KM# 880 using the removed picture from the Perth Mint.

Thanks guys - I have got the change request and will act on it soon.

I just need to do a little research first because the Perth Mint sometimes issue a coin in Proof form with a year date and then they release the same coin in BUNC the following year with a different date.

Just bear with me I will check it out.

Regards Mike

OK guys .. i had to reject the modification request that Hemming30 submitted because If I had let it go through it would have stuffed up another coin. Apologies for that Hemming30, what you did was fine but I couldn't let it through.

Basically we had this coin .... https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces17374.html in Numista with the wrong years. It should be 2002-2003

This coin was missing from Numista ... https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces287356.html ... I added it using the pics supplied , it is 2003-2004. This is the one Hemming was trying to update.

This coin ...... https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces17375.html .. is the 2004-2005 one.

Perth mint can get very confusing with the way they issue a coin in Proof in one year and then follow it the next year with an UNC Bullion issue.

Hopefully it is all ok now.

Regards Mike

I don't get it Mike. Now you've corrected the dates everything makes more sense, except for the correct KM# reference. The missing one in Numista you've just added (https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces287356.html) has no KM# reference because that KM# reference is already in use for this coin: https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces17374.html. So now we have two mistakes: an entry without a KM# reference and an entry with an incorrect KM# reference while the solution is so obvious:



https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces17374.html is KM# 880
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces287356.html is KM# 882

It would also be nicer if the OP can make a picture of the obverse too. Now we have for the new entry a smaller computer graphic from Perth Mint for the obverse and a bigger picture of the real coin for the reverse.

I'll fix the km numbers separately.

Mike

Thanks for the heads up Essor Prof.

KM# numbers all sorted now. I actually didn't even give them a thought when I was fixing these pages up at first.

Krause hasn't hardly bothered with Australian coins since 2012/2013 so I never worry about them. Of course If there is one I will use it.

There are hundreds if not thousands of Australian coins that don't have a KM# currently.

Regards Mike

And yes if the OP can submit a pic for the obverse of the 2003-4 coin that would be great. I can approve that as soon as it comes through.

Mike

End good, all good. Thanks Mike.

Quote: "brismike"​There are hundreds if not thousands of Australian coins that don't have a KM# currently.

Hahaha, KM got bankrupt because of all the extra work the Australian Mints gave them.

Mike,
I was the one that submitted the changes (on behalf of Hemming90). I had planned on working up the KM# 880 today. Thanks (along with Essor Prof) for taking care of this. Looks like it does end well. The only thing I'm still a little confused about is the mintage numbers. I couldn't find any consistency between sites for these numbers.

Perth Mint Numismatic Mintages (Generally Proof Coins) can be found here ... https://www.perthmint.com/numismatic-mintages.aspx

Perth Mint Bullion Mintages (Generally BUNC Coins) can be found here ... https://www.perthmint.com/investment-bullion-bars-and-coins-mintages.aspx

You have to carefully view the information, select the right coin/year etc and look at actual mintage rather than proposed mintage.
Also remember that some of these coins were released individually and in different sets.

I have been working through the Perth Mint Chinese Lunar Year coins adding and correcting mintages. (Although I took a break from it lately)
I have not been able to fix up all the silver Kookaburra ones as of yet. It is a big job.

Cheers Mike

Thanks. I was actually on the Perth Mint site yesterday but never managed to find my way to this part of it.