Germany: 1+2+5 euro cents with small oak leaves [solved]

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This message aims at: requesting the modification of a coin in the catalogue

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What do you think?

Ole
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Great documentations again but I'm not so sure about not using the KM# numbers any further. Krause didn't always assign a new number (or sub number) for small design changes. But they were not consistent about this, sometimes they did assign new numbers, sometimes they didn't.
Quote: "Essor Prof"​Great documentations again but I'm not so sure about not using the KM# numbers any further. Krause didn't always assign a new number (or sub number) for small design changes. But they were not consistent about this, sometimes they did assign new numbers, sometimes they didn't.
​Hi,

I know that, but one day numista has to make a decision. If not we'll have to live with overcharged comments in the year lines, which is no good. I have noticed that NONE of the 3 catalog numbers for these coins take the new small leaf into account.

Of course we can push that decision forward trying to forget about it, but that's not how we put it right? For the 1 and 5 cents it seems we have a clear break year between the two types, but for the 2 cents it's more complicated, since we have the big and small leaves in the same year, but with different mints. At least I have no confirmation so far that the same mint can have the two types in the same year.

So we have to think, right8)
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I can only hope KM will find another publisher and new editions will follow. But the longer it takes the less hope I have. And although there were a lot of mistakes in Krause and they were always far behind, they do leave a void. So you're right, at a certain time decisions have to be made how to proceed.
Quote: "Essor Prof"​I can only hope KM will find another publisher and new additions will follow. But the longer it takes the less hope I have. And although there were a lot of mistakes in Krause and they were always far behind, they do leave a void. So you're right, at a certain time decisions have to be made how to proceed.
​So do I, but with the years running, my hope is diminishing fast.

Edit 15:32

In this case I would assign NC#207.1, NC#208.1 and NC#209.1 just to get forward with keeping numista "clean" (NC for Numista Coins).

Just using the same numbers as KM, but in the logical follow up with a .n, for a small layout change, and not a letter, reserved for alloy changes
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Not a bad idea, not bad at all. I can support that but of course this is a decision the Numista top has to make.
The only alternative for KM is Schön, but Schön is not so ideal for year collectors and not so widespread as Krause (I have over 20 Krause catalogs but only 1 Schön). Maybe Schön will fill the void and make a more extensive catalog (for year collectors) and also in English. Apparently they had one (or more) English edition(s) in the past. But I don't know if that will be their goal.
Quote: "Essor Prof"​Not a bad idea, not bad at all. I can support that but of course this is a decision the Numista top has to make.
​The only alternative for KM is Schön, but Schön is not so ideal for year collectors and not so widespread as Krause (I have over 20 Krause catalogs but only 1 Krause). Maybe Schön will fill the void and make a more extensive catalog (for year collectors) and also in English. Apparently they had one (or more) English edition(s) in the past. But I don't know if that will be their goal.
​That's also how I see it, Schön is not for year and variant collectors, so for me it's unfortunately out of question to use it.

I'm afraid that the Numista TOP will not take any decision, so my idea is probably killed without any discussion.
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Hi,

I have gotten hold of this table from a friend in Munich showing the years and the mints for the two type of oak leaves:



Take care
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Can't we just leave the catalogue number blank until something new is published? If we're happy the small leaves are a distinct type, we should make the new pages. It isn't our fault KM and Pick aren't being published right now. We already have some new issues (e.g., https://en.numista.com/catalogue/note220152.html) which have no catalogue number.
Former Numista referee for banknotes from Ireland, Northern Ireland, Scotland, Wales and Saint Helena.
For me this is just an excuse for the world moving onwards;)
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Quote: "ceh2019"​Can't we just leave the catalogue number blank until something new is published? If we're happy the small leaves are a distinct type, we should make the new pages. It isn't our fault KM and Pick aren't being published right now. We already have some new issues (e.g., https://en.numista.com/catalogue/note220152.html) which have no catalogue number.
Sorry, but don't mix coins and notes, the hole is getting too big!​
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I agree the hole is big. I only mention it because exactly the same problem exists, with the same solution.
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Quote: "ceh2019"​I agree the hole is big. I only mention it because exactly the same problem exists, with the same solution.
I didn't know the notes also got their numbers from Krause? Anyway I don't collect notesB)
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Status changed to Done (Sulfur, 2 May 2021, 19:26)

Hi everyone! Going through my coins and I have two 2018 mint A 1 cent coins. Both have the Big Oak Leaf, but the minting chart only shows SOL. Has anyone noticed this before?

Hi @dcozicar, that's a nice find! Welcome to Numista and thanks for sharing.

 

I have modified the documentation for the 2 cents coin as follows AND the corresponding table:

 

If you agree with those two new documentations I'll make the corresponding Change Requests (CR)

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I agree with the change request. I wonder if maybe the other years have a chance too of having both?

dcozicar

I agree with the change request. I wonder if maybe the other years have a chance too of having both?

So do I, but I'll wait until somebody confirms it. It's easier that way……

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Sjoelund

 

I have modified the documentation for the 2 cents coin as follows AND the corresponding table:

 

But he said his were 1 cent coins.

OMG, I'm getting too old too fast!

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OMG, I'm getting too old too fast!

 

If it's in the one cent coin, then there's nothing new, since it's BOL already!

 

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Sjoelund

OMG, I'm getting too old too fast!

 

If it's in the one cent coin, then there's nothing new, since it's BOL already!

 

Hmmmm….this is the one on the coin pages:

 

I see my name on it so I'm sure there is a forum post where we discussed it.  Let me search.

Here's the post when the current (SOL for 2018 1 cent) was created:  https://en.numista.com/forum/topic123852.html#p1008611

 

I'm still looking for the 29/01/2024 one (BOL for 2018 1 cent). Maybe a PM between you and serg1022?

The first of a long exchange where he correctly showed to me that the 1 cent 2018 had BOL all the time

 

This came out of our discussions:

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Never made it to the coin pages.  😉

It will now

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