i would like to make a question as a referendum about coins or exonumia..
Lets say (for example)that Donald Trump decides that he wants to make 3 anni coins of USA (cu-ni,silver and one gold)..he use his own silver and gold and because he knows people to the white house he strucks coins in san fransisco mint without saying the mintage..at the end of the year he stop selling that coins and he destroys the (i can t rember the name)the organ that struks that coins ..next morning he says 2.000.127 piecies for the cu-ni ,250.090 for the silver coin and 3.237 for the gold..
this is a coin for exonumia or coin?
For me its total private (i don t care if they parasite on a national mint)
Doesn't matter were it was made if there is no official order/decree/law to make a coin and give it a monetary value it's not a coin, at best it's a token if it is widely used as a means for trading goods and services.
Please expand on your Greece thing, did not hear anything about that.
What has Guinea to do with Greece also what have the parents of Gauck to do with anything?
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Guinea is one of those countries that sells the rights to mint coins in their name, you probably could get a gold coin that depicts a nice big pile of poop if you pay enough.
It's not really clear what you're asking here. That coin you've just linked appears to be a commemorative issue from Guinea. The Government of Guinea authorized it and it theoretically could be used as currency in that country. It was probably meant to be marketed at a collectible item in Germany that would net Guinea a profit. Joachim Gauck had nothing to do with issuing it.
Your original scenario involved a private individual somehow managing to strike their own exonumia at a US Mint (a scenario which all the resulting products would be without statute authority, like Idolenz mentioned).
This person (the d.trump in my scenario) is ''friend ''with the prime minister Mitsotakis ...Mitsotakis family its collector(ancients) faminly..they have super coins(i haven t seen them,all the greeks know this)..we are the only country in the world that collectors cannot buy ancient greek coins ..they gave some ancients to the goverment ,they kept all the rest collection and the goverment voted that if they find to my collection one ancient coin i have to go to prison..the family is legal(its like some african countries)
This person (the d.trump in my scenario) sales now 2 cu-ni 5 euro coins 40 euros each..they sell the coins in their site for 2 weeks now...i haven t seen anyone to send a pic in a greek coin site..The goverment gave the permission to parasite (this lady- the d.trump in my scenario)to athens mint but i think its total exonumia
Moscow Mint actually makes a lot of money making special-issue tokens/exonumia for basically anyone who pays them to do that. They don't really care all that much about what the token says (...though it probably helps if it matches the official government line), which results in monstrosities like this. IIRC, many other mints around the world do pretty much the same kind of thing; it's a good business.
A few countries (mostly in Africa and the Pacific) are sufficiently desperate for any investor money that they're willing to make that kind of silly tokens official legal tender in their country. Not like anyone's going to actually go to Guinea or wherever to spend them (though it would probably be interesting to see what happens if someone does*).
I'm not sure which, if either, of the above is the case in Greece. Though with what Greece is like right now it wouldn't surprise me if the latter stage would be reached relatively soon.
I'm not aware of San Francisco Mint in particular being in the token-making business, but it's not like I've actually checked (just tried to check and got too many false positives to tell one way or another). I'm also not aware of any real-life (modern, at least) cases of a mint being forcibly controlled by someone other than the local government.
*) I've been told, by a person I otherwise trust, that the Greenland 50 kroner trimetallics do in fact circulate in Greenland. I asked them to confirm it on their next visit, and they agreed, but unfortunately later medical problems prevented said next visit from happening.
In a modern state, a coin is a coin because the law in that state defines it as such. So even if a government mint struck pieces with a mintmark and someone claimed that they were coins, they would still be exonumia unless the government made them legal tender. Of course, people could theoretically decide that they want to use exonumia as a medium of exchange. I just don't know of any major modern examples of this that didn't involve precious metals.
In the US, Congress would have to pass legislation allowing for the creation of the kind of coin you've described. Without that legal sanction, it's just another piece of metal no matter where it comes from, what it's made of, or what it looks like. I imagine this is the case in the EU (with the added regulations that apply to the entire Eurozone), though I'm not as familiar with these regulations, or those in Greece specifically.
Quote: "January First-of-May"I'm also not aware of any real-life (modern, at least) cases of a mint being forcibly controlled by someone other than the local government.
Note that if it's the local government who wants to do this, there's pretty much nothing stopping them [aside from perhaps a strict coinage law requiring them to get approval in complicated ways from lots of government branches, as is apparently the case in the USA]. If, for example, whoever's controlling the coin issue in Russia [I don't actually know who that is] wants to make a "circulating" coin for the World Carbine Shooting Championship and limit its mintage to 150 thousand, they make a "circulating" coin for the World Carbine Shooting Championship and limit its mintage to 150 thousand.
(Seriously, what were they thinking?)
("Profit", probably.)
