Italian Eritrea Tallero [solved]

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khyan
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Posted: 30 Jan 2021, 05:19 #
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Hi,

I strongly feel Umberto is telling me this coin is a fake. Please tell me if he's telling the truth:

https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces19047.html

weight: 27.6g
diam: 40mm

ZacUK Numista team
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Posted: 30 Jan 2021, 07:38 #
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Maybe it is the colour of the pictures, but it does not look like silver.
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces19047.html
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For comparison ...

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Alyattes
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Posted: 30 Jan 2021, 08:19 #
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seems like it's maybe the phone + artificial light?
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ZacUK Numista team
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Yes, though the surface also looks too smooth. Like it was made yesterday.
Not in 1891.
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khyan
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Posted: 30 Jan 2021, 10:47 #
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Quote: "ZacUK"​ Yes, though the surface also looks too smooth. Like it was made yesterday.
​Not in 1891.
​that's exactly what makes me suspect it's not genuine. if the weight was off by more than 2 grams, i would've probably been sure. I'll post better photos
AgIsSilver
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Posted: 31 Jan 2021, 05:39 #
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The lettering is all wrong on this one. The most obvious example is the C in COLONIA, as well as the serifs on the I's. Definitely a counterfeit.
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Here showing examples of the 1891 fakes
https://numismatica-italiana.lamoneta.it/moneta/W-ERU/3
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Posted: 31 Jan 2021, 15:10 #
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There are lots of fakes of this particular coin. I have one of them in my black museum.
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Posted: 3 Feb 2021, 10:53 #
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Umberto is telling you the truth! It's a very ugly fake.
You can see it from the stoner eye and rim (in particular obverse lower left).
enrico
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Many italian expensive silver crown and gold you can buy at local markets at very low price: 2 to 5 euro.
Some years ago when i collected world coins i got in my collection about 50 different very nice fakes pieces.
Very useful to fill empty spaces of very expensive coins.
Be careful before to accept these coins
Enrico
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Quote: "enrico"​Many italian expensive silver crown and gold you can buy at local markets at very low price: 2 to 5 euro.
​Some years ago when i collected world coins i got in my collection about 50 different very nice fakes pieces.
​Very useful to fill empty spaces of very expensive coins.
​Be careful before to accept these coins
​Enrico
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​I have what I call a black museum of fakes which I collect.
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enrico
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Sorry I am very old and when i stopped to collect world coins i gave all fakes coins as a gift to a friend. Best Regards
Enrico
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Quote: "enrico"​Sorry I am very old and when i stopped to collect world coins i gave all fakes coins as a gift to a friend. Best Regards
​Enrico
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He knows that they were fakes!!!
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khyan
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Posted: 13 Mar 2021, 07:11 #
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Quote: "AgIsSilver"​The lettering is all wrong on this one. The most obvious example is the C in COLONIA, as well as the serifs on the I's. Definitely a counterfeit.
​Thank you, very good eye. I checked the C and the bottom curve is completely different. definite fake. it just struck me that the coin did not look struck - very poor detail for its seeming new (well apparently too new) condition
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