I noticed yesterday that there is an inconsistency in the Chinese catalogue on Numista.
A whole bunch of provincial coins from the Chinese Empire are now listed under the Republic of China, even though they were minted long before the Republic of China was founded:
There may be more - these are just the coins I have in my collection that are listed, seemingly, incorrectly. Other coins from the same period are still listed under the Empire:
The Chinese provinces should be its own issuer, further divided into the individual provinces (so all those links you posted would count as separate issuers). Right now, the Empire and the Republic are both dumping grounds of issuers, so to help alleviate some of the mess of the Empire while also making it so the provincial coins only appear in one place, I moved the provincial coins to the Republic.
I have a request to split the Chinese provinces, but it has been pending for a very long time now. I am hoping it will be dealt with sooner rather than later because I would really like to make China less of a mess.
Quote: "Sulfur"China is a mess right now.
The Chinese provinces should be its own issuer, further divided into the individual provinces (so all those links you posted would count as separate issuers). Right now, the Empire and the Republic are both dumping grounds of issuers, so to help alleviate some of the mess of the Empire while also making it so the provincial coins only appear in one place, I moved the provincial coins to the Republic.
I have a request to split the Chinese provinces, but it has been pending for a very long time now. I am hoping it will be dealt with sooner rather than later because I would really like to make China less of a mess.
Hi Sulfur
Thank you for the feedback. It sounds like a difficult job to sort that lot out.
My only concern is that the Numista catalogue is that reporting Empire coins under Republic is quite a big inaccuracy, and people learn things and classify their coins using this site. I've always felt that we should be as accurate as possible all of the time. How long do you think it will be before things are reasonably accurate again?
If we were to move the impirial provincial coins back to the Empire, Numista would still be inaccurate--just less noticably so. To make Numista accurate, we would need new issues for these, which we can only wait for (and I am not even sure why there wasn't a generic provincial issuer made years ago).
When the provinces become their own issuers, the provincial coins will be listed together, regardless of whether they were minted during the Republican or the Imperial period. While the years do not match the Republican period (inaccurate), the coins are at least listed together (accurate), so if we were to change that now, it would be swapping one for the other.
(And I have mainly been focusing on the Empire, so moving these provincial coins has helped.)
For times... I have moved these coins between 1 to 2 months ago. My thread for creating the provincial issuers has been pending for a year now, and it was set to Started just a few days ago (athough it seems some more waiting is needed first). I would love to give an optimistic time-frame, but I will go with: I have no idea how long this will take.
Quote: "Sulfur"If we were to move the impirial provincial coins back to the Empire, Numista would still be inaccurate--just less noticably so. To make Numista accurate, we would need new issues for these, which we can only wait for (and I am not even sure why there wasn't a generic provincial issuer made years ago).
When the provinces become their own issuers, the provincial coins will be listed together, regardless of whether they were minted during the Republican or the Imperial period. While the years do not match the Republican period (inaccurate), the coins are at least listed together (accurate), so if we were to change that now, it would be swapping one for the other.
(And I have mainly been focusing on the Empire, so moving these provincial coins has helped.)
For times... I have moved these coins between 1 to 2 months ago. My thread for creating the provincial issuers has been pending for a year now, and it was set to Started just a few days ago (athough it seems some more waiting is needed first). I would love to give an optimistic time-frame, but I will go with: I have no idea how long this will take.
Hi Sulfur
Yeah, I understand, I hope things go well, and I'm looking forward very much to the end result of having a usable China section.
And like the provinces, I have a request to split ancient China as well (pending since April).
Doing a quick look at all my pending China-related issuer creation requests (covering provinces, ancient, empire, soviet, and notgeld), the whole of China seems to need approximately 94 new issuers for coins. Banknotes adds approximately another 38.
I am happy to say that Chinese provinces is now a selectable issuer.
This issuer has not yet been split into the various provinces; however, that will come later. For now, all related coins and banknotes have been moved to that issuer, so this should solve the problem of Republic versus Empire for these coins.
[And new issuer do not appear right away, so it will likely take around a day for this issuer to appear on the country list.]
The Chinese provinces should be its own issuer, further divided into the individual provinces (so all those links you posted would count as separate issuers). Right now, the Empire and the Republic are both dumping grounds of issuers, so to help alleviate some of the mess of the Empire while also making it so the provincial coins only appear in one place, I moved the provincial coins to the Republic.
I have a request to split the Chinese provinces, but it has been pending for a very long time now. I am hoping it will be dealt with sooner rather than later because I would really like to make China less of a mess.
It is still a mess, we need new referees for the section.
It is still a mess, we need new referees for the section.
Chinese numismatics is complex, and there are different opinions on how it should be organized. The result will probably never satisfy everyone. But if you want to help adding a message saying “still a mess” on a discussion that closed four years ago isn't a good way.
If you see a particular problem or, even better, have specific solutions, please create a new discussion and describe the particular problems and your ideas for a solution.
How an a topic be closed that was never really addressed. Well for starters, I use the www.zeno.ru catalogue. This one is still a mess and very confusing. There is not even a basic thing like the dynasties.
How an a topic be closed that was never really addressed.
Hello!
This topic was about the coins of the Chinese provinces not appearing correctly, as Numista did not have a “Chinese provinces” issuer back when this thread was created. Everything this thread was addressing has indeed been sorted out.
If you see additional problems, it would definitely help if you gave specific examples, as we could then determine what is needed to better improve the catalogue. Without knowing what the problems are, we would be unable to fix them.
In regards to the dynasties, we have a very comprehensive list of dynasties and their respective rulers. Perhaps you are viewing the Chinese Empire by currencies rather than ruling authorities?
