Netherlands 16th Century

Hello again,

I still have 4 coins from the Netherlands which I can't identify.

First is from Brabant under Albert & Isabella (1598-1621), Mint is Maastricht (Star) and weight is 3.7 g silver (Double Stuiver), but I can't find the coin in the KM catalog?



Second is also a Double Stuiver (4.0 g silver), Mintmark (?) is MS and the legend ends with CRVX CHRISTI. No idea where this is from?



Third is a Half Groat/Stuiver (1.0 g silver), I have no further idea.



And fourth might be a coin or maybe also a jeton, because it is marked as Philipp 1553, but he started his rule just in 1555 which seems to be strange. Weight is 4.4 g copper. I found a similar jeton here https://www.numisbids.com/n.php?p=lot&sid=1302&lot=1595



Thanks for help :-)

Hi!
Interesting lot!

2nd one:

1 Bianco, Sabbioneta - Lombardia, Vespasiano Gonzaga (1565-1574)
VESPASIAN G C PRIN DVX M CO // AVE SACRA CRVX CHRISTI
http://www.rhinocoins.com/ITALY/SEC2/SABB4.HTML

3rd:
Denier, Charles the Bold (1467-1477), Duchy of Burgundy
+ ANSERNA: DE: AVXONA (Engrogne/Denier of Auxonne).
KLS : DVX : ET : COMES : BG (Charles, duke and earl of Bourgogne)

similar to this:
https://www.cgbfr.com/bourgogne-duche-de-bourgogne-charles-le-temeraire-engrogne-ttb-,bfe_430882,a.html

4th
see:http://www.dugniolle.com/dugniolle1902-2000.html
#1902

For the first one, there is a similar coin here

Thanks for your help :-) I created 2 + 3 for the catalog.

@1: I found this copper oord (4.8 gr) in the KM catalog, but not a similar silver coin of 3.7 gr. Are there any websites to look this one up?

Hello,

For the first one, the only possibility in my opinion is a liard that has been silvered for some reason. I can't find anything similar in silver in my books. The weight difference is not a big problem.

I took a closer look on the edge and found some points where the copper is shining through, so it was silver plated later.