Guangxu (Hoo Pu) Identification Required

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Hi there,

I recently had a swap with a member and chose one of his tokens which was a 1 Liang Guangxu (Hoo Pu) https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces41293.html

When I received the coin I realised it was different from what the member had it catalogued as. The immediate sign of this was the obverse which is different to the picture also the dimensions of the coin are much larger...diameter 45mm, thickness 2.5mm and weight 27.8g. I am not sure about the composition but it is most definitely magnetic. It also has a milled edge.

Any help from the relevant referees with this would be appreciated. I am not overly bothered if it is a fake (knowing the Chinese market is full of them :D) as the swap was for a circulation coin and cost me nothing in real terms but I would like to know some history behind it and how to or if I should catalogue this coin.

Many thanks.

Maybe some info here.
http://www.kenelks.co.uk/chinese/chinesedragon.htm
Thanks DevonCollector. Good history but doesn't really help with my problem.
The year of the two sides is different
Chinese side is 22nd Year of Kuang Hsu (光緒二十二年)
English side is 29TH YEAR OF KUANG HSU

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It is indeed a chinese replica
https://www.thesprucecrafts.com/chinese-coin-counterfeiting-ring-4071202
http://www.silvercoins.com/fake-silver-coins-14-ways-to-spot-counterfeits/
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Thanks guys,

So it is a bona fide genuine double fake :O
the dragon side looks too cartoon. it is a replica rather than fake
Quote: "aephi" it is a replica rather than fake
​Indeed, replica is a better name.
But if a coin is valuable or rare, the chinese make replicas.
I have a nice small collection of these replicas
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But a bad replica if what bbybugs says is correct...different years on different sides. Also I still haven't found any reason for the size difference. Apparently the Hu Poo is smaller than the one I have.
yea more a replica, you said the size is wrong. Not really intended to trick a serious coin collector, more to trick a tourist or allow a tourist to take something home that is chinese :D

You will find that they try to make a standardise coin size even tho it might not be right to make hundreds of different coins with the same planchets they being the Chinese counterfeiters to save on money and time when they place them in albums. As ACKEY MONEY O.o ....
Quote: "Ryurazu"​yea more a replica, you said the size is wrong. Not really intended to trick a serious coin collector, more to trick a tourist or allow a tourist to take something home that is chinese :D

​You will find that they try to make a standardise coin size even tho it might not be right to make hundreds of different coins with the same planchets they being the Chinese counterfeiters to save on money and time when they place them in albums. As ACKEY MONEY O.o ....
​Indeed.
All this kind of replicas have the same diameter.
All the blank planchets are indeed the same (or allmost), even for coins of other countries (USA, Brazil, Netherlands, Belgium, France...)

ps: how much did it cost you?
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Thanks for the info everyone,

I will still put it in my album even though it is worth nothing as I collect for fun. I still think it looks kinda good :D (Does that make me not a serious coin collector :° )

It was part of a larger swap where my part were all UK 50 pence pieces so effectively it cost me 50p so a bargain even for a bad replica :O
Quote: "Stuart15"
​It was part of a larger swap where my part were all UK 50 pence pieces so effectively it cost me 50p so a bargain even for a bad replica :O
​indeed good bargain!
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