Chinese early dragon and trade dollar

Good morning,

I would like to know your opinion about the genuineness of this two coins.
Thank you in advance.

DRAGON Spec.: grams 26.77 size mm. 39- 2.5

both coins passed the silver gravity test.

TRADE D.  : grams 26.89 size mm.39- 2.5

The dragon dollar is fake. I’m not sure about the trade dollar though, I’m not experienced in them but if both came from the same place it’s likely fake.

Why fake? Where can you see it, please?
Different places, both full silver.

The dragon is completely off. Here are a few comparisons. Yours on left, genuine on right.

It seems that there was a different dragon in the early coinage. You and numista, on this coin, did not acknowledge yet.

https://www.dragondollar.com/coins/tag/kiangnan/

https://www.ngccoin.com/price-guide/world/china-provincial-kiangnan-province-dollar-y-145a.2-1898-1899-cuid-1053825-duid-1296527

Here’s a comparison of your coin and the NGC coin with the link you provided. Yours on right NGC on left

Every year a different character...

Quote: "Anticogentleman"​Every year a different character...

​no these coins don’t have years on them. And if they had years I would know, I can read mandarin

that is the meaning of the year, not a number.

https://www.dragondollar.com/coins/tag/kiangnan/

https://www.dragondollar.com/coins/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/kiangnan-1898-circlet-like-scales-pearl-dragon-reverse.jpg

Quote: "KLiao"​

Quote: "Anticogentleman"​Every year a different character...

​​no these coins don’t have years on them. And if they had years I would know, I can read mandarin

​The chinese character “戊戌” directly reveals the year of the coin. Please study chinese calendar for details.

I found some pictures of certified samples from PCGS and GBCA (China well-known grading company) for your reference. Hope it helps

PCGS



GBCA



In my opinion, the presence of the small chopmarks and/or ink chopmarks “adds score” to its genunity (as a circulation traces)

You better upload also the edge of the coin because somehow it also able to reveal the authenticity.

Chris

With your photos, I believe more in the happy purchase of my two genuine coins:
I can see lightly visible details due to a not sufficiently strong coinage stroke. The only thing that worries me is the rim, which is not very precise (but, this does not necessarily prove the existence of a fake for this type of coins).