Ottoman ? Qarakhanid or Karamanids dynasty? [solved]

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doc_man
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Posted: 2 Jul 2019, 13:26 #
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Hi,
could you help me to id this coin? Cant find in our catalog. On the photo it says Ottoman Empire but im not sure.
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PetrusAscanus
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Posted: 2 Jul 2019, 15:42 #
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woow, nice coin!
I do a search, but I can not promise a result
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doc_man
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Posted: 3 Jul 2019, 20:39 #
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I have asked both referee For Islamic States and Ottoman. Wait for an reply from Ottoman referee.
Karamanids were preceded by Sultanate of Rum and Succeeded by Ottoman Empire

Maybe new country or issuer ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karamanids
They had an interesting flag.
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Damian
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doc_man
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Posted: 4 Jul 2019, 13:40 #
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Maybe new country called Anatolian beyliks ?
Any thoughts ?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anatolian_beyliks
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simoneo80
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Posted: 4 Jul 2019, 21:07 #
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Quote: "doc_man"​Maybe new country called Anatolian beyliks ?
​Any thoughts ?
​https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anatolian_beyliks
​I agree, we can add a new Issuer in Islamic state, Beylik dynasty.
I need to check how best to enter this new Issuer.
Seeker55
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Posted: 4 Jul 2019, 21:17 #
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Found it using a Zeno search by weight and diameter, keyword Islamic

https://www.zeno.ru/showphoto.php?photo=100367

Sarikavak 700AH, Seljuq of Rum AR dirham, Kayqubad III
doc_man
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Posted: 4 Jul 2019, 21:20 #
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Thank you all, i also get this information :
it's an anonymous AR Dirham (Wilkes 1391 type)

Album notes that the Anonymous types are early c. AH 710-730 or CE 1310-1330

They are listed as Album 1267 "broad thin fabric, mints of Larende and Ermenek and are occasionally dated. Some examples cite Mamluk ruler Muhammad I or the Ilkhan ruler Uljaytu. Album lists the type as Rare. (p. 139 Album Checklist 3rd ed, 2011).
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doc_man
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Posted: 4 Jul 2019, 22:01 #
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Quote: "Seeker55"​Found it using a Zeno search by weight and diameter, keyword Islamic
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​https://www.zeno.ru/showphoto.php?photo=100367
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​Sarikavak 700AH, Seljuq of Rum AR dirham, Kayqubad III
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​I also look in Zeno but couldn't find. I think you are right :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kayqubad_III
https://web.archive.org/web/20080801083656/http://mehmeteti.150m.com/seljuqsofrum/UE1247.htm
So i think all descriptions in some point are correct but best will be Seljuq. What do you think ?
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Seeker55
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Posted: 4 Jul 2019, 23:27 #
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Yes, Seljuq, assuming the attributions of the photos found are correct, which I think is reasonable.

The photo you found at

https://web.archive.org/web/20080801083656/http://mehmeteti.150m.com/seljuqsofrum/UE1247.htm

is a match, as is the Zeno listing above
doc_man
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Posted: 5 Jul 2019, 10:55 #
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Quote: "simoneo80"​
Quote: "doc_man"​Maybe new country called Anatolian beyliks ?
​​Any thoughts ?
​​https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anatolian_beyliks
​​I agree, we can add a new Issuer in Islamic state, Beylik dynasty.
​I need to check how best to enter this new Issuer.
​Simo should i add this coin to the Seljuq issuer ?
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Status changed to Solved (doc_man, 5 Jul 2019, 14:02)
simoneo80
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Posted: 5 Jul 2019, 18:49 #
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Quote: "doc_man"​
Quote: "simoneo80"​
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Quote: "doc_man"​Maybe new country called Anatolian beyliks ?
​​​Any thoughts ?
​​​https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anatolian_beyliks
​​​I agree, we can add a new Issuer in Islamic state, Beylik dynasty.
​​I need to check how best to enter this new Issuer.
​​Simo should i add this coin to the Seljuq issuer ?
​Ok
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