Japan 1 Mon "Kan'eitsūhō" new type - reorganisation [solved]

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This message aims at: requesting the creation or the modification of an issuer in the catalogue

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Hello,

Now we have some strange organization of Japanese 1 Mon "Kan'eitsūhō" new type pages:
1. 1 Mon "Kan'eitsūhō" (new type; copper alloy; with mintmark) which contains some variants without mintmark (C#1.1; マ as head of 通; C#1.1a - Cast Iron etc)
2. 1 Mon (Kan'ē Tsūhō; new type; copper alloy; without mintmark) which contains the same variants
3. 1 Mon "Kan'eitsūhō" (new type; copper alloy; "Bun" reverse) which is also a part of the first page
4. 1 Mon (Kan'eitsūhō; iron alloy; without mintmark) C# 1.1a which was also oin the previous pages and a couple of the other variants showed separately.

I'd propose to:
1. Delete all the lines which don't suit to the headings (e.g. to delete all the lines without mintmark and not copper from the first)
2. Delete separate pages for variants included to the other pages (e.g. #3)
3. Create separate pages for magnetic (iron) coins
4. Create separate page for マ as head of 通 without mintmark
5. Reorganize "without mintmark" page based on classification made on Zeno

As a result it shall be the following pages for the 1 Mon "Kan'eitsūhō" (new type):
1. copper alloy; with mintmark
2. copper alloy; without mintmark
3. copper alloy; without mintmark, マ as head of 通 with the lines:
  • Unknown variant
  • Jumantsubo
  • Shichijo
  • Yokooji-mura
  • Fushimi
  • Fujisawa
4. iron alloy; without mintmark

Please feel free to modify and discuss!
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Hello,

I had planned to make the Kan'ei pages to the same manner as Chinese cash pages, but since I came back Thailand from Japan last year, I don't have much time for this hobby. So most of the messy contents are left untouched.

I planned to make pages for friendly enough for general users, but suited for advanced collectors.
Here is my plan of separated pages.

1. old type; Nisui-ei (1626)
Several separated lines, including 'reverse 三' and 'blank reverse'
2. old type; Normal-ei (1636~)
JNDA book catalog this page to 16 lines: shiba, asakusa, sakamoto, ..., torigoe.
3. new type; copper; 文 reverse (1668)
JNDA book catalog this page to just 4 lines, however, other sources identified more than 10 sub-variants
shimane, seiji, nyuu-mon, taiten-mon, saiji, senji, ...
3. new type; copper; blank reverse (1668~)
countless sub-variants: shimane-muhai, ogiwara, yottsuhou, mimishiro, maruya, etc.
マ as head of 通 should be here with several lines: fukyuu-te, fushimi-te, hebi-no-me, kyouto-shichijou, ...
4. new type; copper; 佐 reverse (1714~)
5. new type; copper; 仙 reverse (1728~)
6. new type; copper; 小 reverse (1737~)
7. new type; copper; 元 reverse (1741~)
8​​​​​​​. new type; copper; 足 reverse (1741~)
​​​​​​​9. new type; copper; 長 reverse (1767~)
10. iron; blank reverse (1739~)
many sub-variants including old-style font and new style font. however, all iron is cataloged as new type.
11. iron; 千 reverse (1739~)
​​​​​​​12. iron; 川 reverse (1740~)
​​​​​​​13. iron; 久 reverse (1768~)
​​​​​​​​​​​​​​14. iron; 久二 reverse (1774~)
​​​​​​​15. iron; 佐 reverse (1862~)

Normally, I read at kosenmaru as it is very detailed, and picture of most of the rarest variants are visible.
I called the 'reverse', not the mintmark, as some of them does not stand for the place, but the era, e.g. 文 and 元.

Actually, the problem is just this page, as it is the old page which has copper and iron, with and without reverse mixed. Kan'ei coins circulated in Japan for more than 200 yeas and that's why is should be separated. I started sapararing pages when I study abroad in Japan, and there are problems to be discuss and take a lot of time. so the separation is not completed when I finished my school.

Also, there are more variants of coin in the real world than ones written in the book. I brought a lot of Kan'ei pieces and tried to compare them to the pictures in the book, and found the book is completely useless. for example, in the book has just on '元 reverse', but I found more than 4 different '元 reverse'. That's why I have to separate each difference reverse into page, as I could separate those minor-variants into lines. in each page.
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Status changed to Started (pejounet, 6 Mar 2019, 00:05)
Status changed to Done (pejounet, 23 May 2019, 02:31)

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