Members and current referees waiting for review of their application for new countries:
nabingiri - Ancient Nepal neilithic - New Zealand Fluke - Isle of Man, Ascension Island and Alderney Frenchlover - Ascension Island, Saint Helena, Tristan da Cunha, Falkland Islands and South Georgia & S. Sandwich Islands Steve27 - USA cmaclean- Scotland Chomp-master - India (ancient), Judea, Mesopotamia (ancient), Nabataean kingdom, Nepal (ancient), Numidia, Persia (ancient), Phoenician cities Slyrex - England, Rome (ancient), Tokens (tokens are too much for one man I think) Mark240590 - England radrick007 - England doc_man - Cameroon, Gambia, Gabon, Chad , Senegal oggy - South Africa - Boer republics
You should asked him about the future of this website. A website like Numista cannot be managed 5 minutes every month. I've sent messages to Xavior more than one month ago and not even opened. I know that all of us have a private life, a family, friends and cannot invest all of our time on Numista but there are things that cannot be done by referees or admins because the lack of rights even if some of them would gladly do more. Numista website sub-forum is full of good ideas to improve this website but again, nothing can't be done, not even one development per month. So dear Xavior, we are not here to incense our prayers to you but to help you with this website because it's useful for all of us. If you still prefer to stay hidden then please cut me off from the referees list because I don't want to work for a website without direction. Nothing personal but very much frustration.
And what about issues which still need to be solved after I asked him to? Some ones are getting really old.
8/3: translating to French the Edetans "currency"
13/3: reform of Gaul tribes (+14/3: addentum & corrigendum)
2/4: unknown country issue for admins, BMC split and BM question
9/4: applicaion for Byzantine
1/5: Saint Goeric Abbey rename
Administrateur du catalogue, référent de nombreuses nations antiques et de la Lorraine.
Catalogue administrator, numerous Antique nations and Lorraine referee.
A ship without a captain can do a lot if the crew is strong enough and has a common aim.
I think members of Numista can be such a crew. Great work has been done in the last months without waiting for Xavier's agreement. Indeed care has to be taken not to go too far but still, a lot can be done. Look at Jarek's projects on translations, pics cropping, at Chomp's activities to keep links between both sides of the channel , at dozens of coins added every week to the catalogue, at coin Ids on both sides of the forum still being done within a few hours, etc. Sorry for those I don't mention, the idea is not to distribute rewards !
As a referee, one can do a lot to the catalogue. Any member can propose changes and they get accepted by team members. I have recently validated 100s by Cyrilius for Russia (with referee's approval). Others do the same. The backlog is large but sort of stable.
For the stuff that needs Xavier's approval, well, waiting is the only we can do. And, yes, it may be frustrating but please, don't leave the ship during the storm - or because we are becalmed by lack of wind ! That would also be a great frustration for all fellow members and collectors who enjoy (even if they say nothing) your presence on the forum or the results of your work on the catalogue !
All the best, and "schiff ahoy" ...
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I also saw that huuuge ammount of requests from Cyrilius - I done those which went to Bulgaria, as Dptashny is away for good it seems. And I put myself to work on Russian ones too. It may be rude, but whenever I am sure of and no harm can be done - like adding lettering where was none or correcting small spelling mistakes, I intervene even without asking. Maybe I should ask.
This is a bad example with a captain and a ship. Captain is suppose to be the last one on the ship and in bad times he will either save the ship and its members or die trying but this is not the case. We never asked for 24/7 assistance or even to work more for Numista but to let others to do it properly and in real time. Cropping images and made lettering of coins are good jobs but it's such a thin slice of what could be done. I have the catalog of Romania updated even with coin that will appear in two days but it's not enough since National Bank of Romania is not on the list of accepted websites for the images of the coins and many other aspects where we are stuck. Please don't compensate good things that are done on this website with the absence of Xavior and send the message of unification to the captain that left the ship not to the members of the ship.
Quote: "Jarcek"... And I put myself to work on Russian ones too. It may be rude, but whenever I am sure of and no harm can be done - like adding lettering where was none or correcting small spelling mistakes, I intervene even without asking. Maybe I should ask.
Yes I guess you should. In that precise case I did and Moi's answer was, yes, cyrilius is very serious and his requests can be validated with no problem. I have personally left others that were more tricky.
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Quote: "Andy289"This is a bad example with a captain and a ship. Captain is suppose to be the last one on the ship and in bad times he will either save the ship and its members or die trying but this is not the case. We never asked for 24/7 assistance or even to work more for Numista but to let others to do it properly and in real time. Cropping images and made lettering of coins are good jobs but it's such a thin slice of what could be done. I have the catalog of Romania updated even with coin that will appear in two days but it's not enough since National Bank of Romania is not on the list of accepted websites for the images of the coins and many other aspects where we are stuck. Please don't compensate good things that are done on this website with the absence of Xavior and send the message of unification to the captain that left the ship not to the members of the ship.
Right. And I hope he happens to read that.
As for Romanian coins, you can use the copyright of the Bank with the "other source" and writing the name, until the link becomes fully validated. After all, the important thing is the fact that you obtained the authorization. I usually do that for pending situations.
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Well, I'm Enthusiastic, So... I Could Apply For England... But I May Not Be To Great, So, I Could Be A Placeholder For England Referee Until We Got a More Experienced One?
~Theo
QuotePS: I would be very glad if somebody enthusiastic came forward and expressed willingness to take neglected England and Scotland.
I would be willing to take up the position as referee for Scotland. I'm definitely not an expert but I have a keen interest in Scottish coinage and I would be willing to fill the position until someone who is more competent can take my place. Plus university has just finished up so I have a lot of free time on my hands.
Andy289 ,Jarcek, chomp-master ,and the rest of the group. Try to keep your chip up,yes it is very upsiting that the captain not here.And yes so much more can be done. The wheels of change is slow , even more so when the wheel not there.You guys are a god send for the site. Keeping it moving. I offen wondered for Xavior the start was a lot of fun, now it only work. And he lost the fun with the site. Let face it can he just show up and play with his coins without a thousand can we change this 0r that. I really don't know what going on. But it is very unsettling for the site. We have lost so many people over this it is very sad. And I hope we don't lose more. But to all of the team I want to say thank you for your time and work. Ecapoe refer to my post the coded message is" We win when we work willingly" I think it fit here. Hey Ecapoe were my thumb ups. I love the site and people here and would hate to see another down ward time again. I hope one day to have the time to be a team member. But that will be more than a few years yet. But it is what it is sad to say.
Wisely said, yes we will be kicking the ball down the road. All I would want is announcement like "Hi, I will be gone for two months, I will try to do this or that" or "I am programing this, it may take some two or three moths"
PS: To you two cmaclean and Slyrex - one of the preconditions for being referee is some experience with additions to the catalogue. So if you really meant that, get handy it modifications. You may start with my projects, or even better, you can start modifying England and Scotland respectively.
Quote: "Jarcek"Jarcek
PS: To you two cmaclean and Slyrex - one of the preconditions for being referee is some experience with additions to the catalogue. So if you really meant that, get handy it modifications. You may start with my projects, or even better, you can start modifying England and Scotland respectively.
Will do, I'll look into the Scottish catalogue. Thanks for the advice.
Quote: "Jarcek"Jarcek
PS: To you two cmaclean and Slyrex - one of the preconditions for being referee is some experience with additions to the catalogue. So if you really meant that, get handy it modifications. You may start with my projects, or even better, you can start modifying England and Scotland respectively.
Will do, I'll look into the Scottish catalogue. Thanks for the advice.
I think I will have to pull my application as I will be going through a lot of hospital treatments from next Wednesday, I do not know how available I will be after that starts, I want to be an efficient referee, not one that may vanish from time to time.
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Quote: "Fluke"I think I will have to pull my application as I will be going through a lot of hospital treatments from next Wednesday, I do not know how available I will be after that starts, I want to be an efficient referee, not one that may vanish from time to time.
That is something I am deeply sorry to hear. I hope it is nothing serious.
Lee hope things come out well for you. You will be in my thoughts. You take care of yourself my friend. Even if you can only be there alittle you would be a hell of and addition. You are very smart and kind. And you just put thing on the table. You take care yours daryl
I got the day wrong, it isn't next Wednesday, it is the following Wednesday on the 8th. The outcome of that appointment will determine if I will be able to be a referee efficiently or not.
Cancer symptoms in my chest after last doctors check up, X-rays and other tests to see if it is a false alarm or not will be performed on the 8th. I didn't know men can get breast cancer until now, most it is for over 60's, but it is known to hit younger men as well. I am not taking it seriously in my mind, I will worry about it if I have to. Until then, its a false alarm in my mind.
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This is very upsetting news Lee. I will be thinking of you and hoping very much for a good outcome as I'm sure all your many friends here will also be doing.
Keep strong my man. Phil needs you!
Non illegitimis carborundum est. Excellent advice for all coins.
Make Numismatics Great Again!
And furthermore, as my mother died from cancer less than two years ago (no it is not coincidence, I started collecting from sorrow) , feel free to PM me too, if it ever happens that you need to talk with somebody with first hand experience. I hope that it will never be needed though.
Thanks for the words of support, positive thinking and knowing there is no point beating myself up over something that hasn't been confirmed yet is the way to go.
Doctor gave me a copy of the initial referral form, I couldn't help but giggle which is a little ironic considering what it could mean. (Edited to remove my full address)
Enough thread hijacking now....lets get back on topic.
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I already send Jareck a PM, but wanted let you know in this post that I really appriciate all your hard work on this site. All the improvements you have made are amazing. You are a real team leader. Putting all the pages together that need work done and then have the members help you work on the issues is great to see. I might not be very active on forum, trades right now, working two jobs 70+ hours a week. Just know that I appriciate all the work you Are doing. Getting new referees for countries is also great to see. Now they can work on these countries to make the catalog even better and help with the back log of requests. Thank againJareck
I'm happy to do South Africa - Boer Republics till now, but I see no point spending time sending Xavier more pm's which he doesn't even bother to open.
Also happy to do UK/USA on an interim basis if its needed.
Quote: "Eerovisser"I already send Jareck a PM, but wanted let you know in this post that I really appriciate all your hard work on this site. All the improvements you have made are amazing. You are a real team leader. Putting all the pages together that need work done and then have the members help you work on the issues is great to see. I might not be very active on forum, trades right now, working two jobs 70+ hours a week. Just know that I appriciate all the work you Are doing. Getting new referees for countries is also great to see. Now they can work on these countries to make the catalog even better and help with the back log of requests. Thank againJareck
I agree! I have very much appreciated Jarecek's efforts to involve members in catalog improvement. I want to be a useful member of Numista, and his projects have allowed me to contribute. Much thanks to Jarecek.
Quote: "Fluke"Thanks for the words of support, positive thinking and knowing there is no point beating myself up over something that hasn't been confirmed yet is the way to go.
Doctor gave me a copy of the initial referral form, I couldn't help but giggle which is a little ironic considering what it could mean. (Edited to remove my full address)
Enough thread hijacking now....lets get back on topic.
That's a cracking set you've got there...very nice
That's what made me laugh, I know I have put on a little weight and started to develop man boobs or mewbs if you will, but come on. Whoever knocked up that form must have high expectations.
Great news on the referee's finally getting approved. I will re-apply in a few weeks hopefully. !
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Quote: "Jarcek"Wisely said, yes we will be kicking the ball down the road. All I would want is announcement like "Hi, I will be gone for two months, I will try to do this or that" or "I am programing this, it may take some two or three moths"
PS: To you two cmaclean and Slyrex - one of the preconditions for being referee is some experience with additions to the catalogue. So if you really meant that, get handy it modifications. You may start with my projects, or even better, you can start modifying England and Scotland respectively.
Sure, Sorry For The Inactivity, Busy Lately.
~Theo
Xavier is not the type of guy who would answer. He does not answer mails, LinkedIn messages, facebook posts or the like. He is a man of his own, thinking that he created this Numista thing and all of you/us are servants in the framework. The more French the better influence you have, but we both are very very less French, so this will NOT work.
He is also NOT caring at all to jeopardize his own website, he has no worries for failures or conscious offensive attacks. No worries about stealing your domain data to someone or else. He lives peacefully in Southern France and thinks absolutely of nothing, .... nothing on Numista, as he has no clue how to develop this forward or reshape or else.
Total blankness of ideas. zero clue, no future, no vision. - Sorry to say but this is the guy you trust. Way forward? - no clue?
I trust your message reacheas grounds, but then what ... ?
Administrateur du catalogue, référent de nombreuses nations antiques et de la Lorraine.
Catalogue administrator, numerous Antique nations and Lorraine referee.
For me, this thread worked even more that I hoped for.
1. I got all the people waiting to be referees on one page. (Apuking already took Liberia and Cyrillius and Oklahoman became ones already! )
2. However very sad that is, I got to know that Fluke withrew his application for now.
3. I got two offers to help with another parts of catalogue - with cmaclean already working on Scotland catalogue so skillfully that I already sent him to Xavier to apply.
4. And finally, even that it was not really my intention, I got some positive messages, so I hope what we are doing here so far is positive.
5. And found out people are still strugling with my Nickname/Real name and call me many different ways
Quote: "Jarcek"1. I got all the people waiting to be referees on one page. (Apuking already took Liberia and Cyrillius and Oklahoman became ones already! )
Not all...
Administrateur du catalogue, référent de nombreuses nations antiques et de la Lorraine.
Catalogue administrator, numerous Antique nations and Lorraine referee.
Administrateur du catalogue, référent de nombreuses nations antiques et de la Lorraine.
Catalogue administrator, numerous Antique nations and Lorraine referee.
I must appreciate imreh's sincere input on this problem. Seems I'm not the only one pissed off by the lack of interest shown by Xavior. Xavior should become really fast a savior for this website.
It's been a long running problem affecting Numista: dedicated and energetic members who get frustrated at the frequent absences. I truly wish there was a solution but if there was I think we'd have found it by now. We've tried, believe me we have tried.
I've come to realise that things here will proceed at their own pace, there will be no ambitious grand design and downstream communication isn't going to happen. This used to frustrate me a lot too but then I began considering the bigger picture. If, knowing all the above, you can still find Numista to be a friendly and knowledgeable place where you can make contacts worldwide then why give yourself grey hairs worrying abut what could be and embrace what is?
I concede immediacy that if I had committed the time and energy into the catalog that you wonderful folks have, I would probably feel different. So please don't think I'm taking your concerns lightly, I'm not and I share them. However this Stygian Knot is going to remain firmly tied. Xavier has a different vision for the site and quite understandably doesn't wish to sell his creation. He's a young man with the world at his feet and is quite rightly enjoying every minute of it instead of running a coin website. That's such and old guy thing :)
The 1 year plus absence of recent memory was quite horrible for the membership who were right to wonder if the site was permanently abandoned and their magnificent contributions about to be lost. We got through that, we will get through this. Since that regrettable lapse there have been a lot of intelligent and well implemented improvements. I hope they keep coming but if there is gong to be another pause, so be it.
So while there won't be any changes at the strategic level perhaps there are things we mere grunts can do at the tactical level?
1. Appoint two team managers, one for the catalog / team and one for the forum and trades. This has already been (partially) suggested elsewhere so it would be churlish of me to present it as my idea. I merely think it's worth expanding. Devolve some of the day to day running, plus the admin rights to deal with issues. In my view there can be only two candidates, Jarceck and BAM777. They are already pretty much filling the roles already so why not make it official? They have already demonstrated the ability and maturity for the task and have earned a great deal of respect.
2. Quit bugging Dear Leader about trivial shit. It must be overwhelming trying to deal with dozens of ruffled egos because someone said something mean to someone else. Man up or shut up! There is a whole array of administrators and referees who would mostly be happy to answer any questions. Let the man at the top have some peace to develop the site.
Non illegitimis carborundum est. Excellent advice for all coins.
Make Numismatics Great Again!
Quote: "imreh"Firstly Jarek,
Xavier is not the type of guy who would answer. He does not answer mails, LinkedIn messages, facebook posts or the like. He is a man of his own, thinking that he created this Numista thing and all of you/us are servants in the framework. The more French the better influence you have, but we both are very very less French, so this will NOT work.
He is also NOT caring at all to jeopardize his own website, he has no worries for failures or conscious offensive attacks. No worries about stealing your domain data to someone or else. He lives peacefully in Southern France and thinks absolutely of nothing, .... nothing on Numista, as he has no clue how to develop this forward or reshape or else.
Total blankness of ideas. zero clue, no future, no vision. - Sorry to say but this is the guy you trust. Way forward? - no clue?
I trust your message reacheas grounds, but then what ... ?
This seems a fairly logical assumption from respective views, plenty of heel dragging as well as expecting people to wait for 10 days, if he doesn't respond then try messaging him again? making people chase you to build up your domain.....First time I have truly agreed with Imreh...... There is a first!
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Quote: "imreh"Firstly Jarek,
Xavier is not the type of guy who would answer. He does not answer mails, LinkedIn messages, facebook posts or the like. He is a man of his own, thinking that he created this Numista thing and all of you/us are servants in the framework. The more French the better influence you have, but we both are very very less French, so this will NOT work.
He is also NOT caring at all to jeopardize his own website, he has no worries for failures or conscious offensive attacks. No worries about stealing your domain data to someone or else. He lives peacefully in Southern France and thinks absolutely of nothing, .... nothing on Numista, as he has no clue how to develop this forward or reshape or else.
Total blankness of ideas. zero clue, no future, no vision. - Sorry to say but this is the guy you trust. Way forward? - no clue?
I trust your message reacheas grounds, but then what ... ?
As usual Imreh, largely true but very excessive ...
Just to quote one line: I have a hard time to think of a "total blankness of ideas" to end with Numista (even if it has quite a few flaws!).
One day Imreh, you have to work with NGOs. Not the big ones that are real Cies, no, small ones that have leaders who also do something else, objectives and results that cannot be easily measured, loads of volunteers who act largely irrationally (ego said pnightingale just above ), without wages as simple ways for motivation, etc ...
And Numista is much closer in its functioning to an NGO than to a Company
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Quote: "Ecapoe"One day Imreh, you have to work with NGOs. Not the big ones that are real Cies, no, small ones that have leaders who also do something else, objectives and results that cannot be easily measured, loads of volunteers who act largely irrationally (ego said pnightingale just above ), without wages as simple ways for motivation, etc ...
And Numista is much closer in its functioning to an NGO than to a Company
That is very very true.
Numista is much closer in its functioning to a non-functioning NGO.
... and you summarized the reason very nicely, why I do not work with NGOs.
Administrateur du catalogue, référent de nombreuses nations antiques et de la Lorraine.
Catalogue administrator, numerous Antique nations and Lorraine referee.
Quote: "chomp-master"Erf. Hopefully, when requests are enough old, he may still help when needed, if not leaving the team.
Oh, for imreh... Your dreams may start to become truth...
https://en.numista.com/forum/topic50602.html#p422006
Salut! Honestly I hate to be the asshole, but it seems someone has to be to reach The Leader Himself!
If the new system enters in force, I would probably withdraw for India and Persia as actual referees are well managing them, and translators may be enough that way. I would maintain Judea as there are some moves I planned o do and to assist ACI. Concerning Nepal, maybe the other referees (of ancient India or modern Nepal) would administrate them instead. However, for other countries with no referee, I'll keep my application.
Administrateur du catalogue, référent de nombreuses nations antiques et de la Lorraine.
Catalogue administrator, numerous Antique nations and Lorraine referee.
I will keep you on the list until it does enters force. Anyway, even this list is becoming redundant with new administration. But I will keep it here, as it shows interest for given countries.
Well, it is not I-want-to-be list but rather I-already-sent-my-application-to-Xavier list. But considering that new organization is being born, which I believe means, that during its creation, Xavier will not have much time for considering new applicants, I can add you to the list too - to mark your interest. So regardless of who will be in charge of referees in the future, they can get to you quickly, without asking all around for interest.
Let me just exploit the popularity of this thread for good, to announce again, that I would welcome a co-referee for the Ottoman Empire, who has an Arabic keyboard and/or the ability to type text in Arabic.
The key role will be for the one who will solve the worst backlog ever, as Vietnam Empire et Korea requests are much more older than the still unsolved issue of Medieval Netherlands
Administrateur du catalogue, référent de nombreuses nations antiques et de la Lorraine.
Catalogue administrator, numerous Antique nations and Lorraine referee.
Sorry to be a little late to the party but there was an earlier issue that I wanted to address and forgot. That of referees adding information to a submission.
For my part I have zero objections. I don't have a complete reference library or a comprehensive knowledge of every country's currency. Any submission I make is done on the basis that it is as complete as my limited resources allow. I find the idea that the referee for that country knows more than I do to be quite comforting. I expect that the referee will at the very minimum have access to the major publications covering the area of responsibility. If not, we need a new referee.
So, please don't ever think that any of you need to seek my permission to improve anything submitted by me. Of course I can only speak for myself but I can't see any reason that this should not be the default. If there is ever an issue and I think the additions are incorrect, I'll let y'all know. Until then I believe that your time can be spent more productively than tracking me down for a response.
Would anyone object to this line of thinking?
We seem to be attracting a much better quality of refreree, even those who were a little lacking have been taking the time to learn their roles. Things are looking good on the ref front.
Non illegitimis carborundum est. Excellent advice for all coins.
Make Numismatics Great Again!
Quote: "pnightingale"Sorry to be a little late to the party but there was an earlier issue that I wanted to address and forgot. That of referees adding information to a submission.
For my part I have zero objections. I don't have a complete reference library or a comprehensive knowledge of every country's currency. Any submission I make is done on the basis that it is as complete as my limited resources allow. I find the idea that the referee for that country knows more than I do to be quite comforting. I expect that the referee will at the very minimum have access to the major publications covering the area of responsibility. If not, we need a new referee.
So, please don't ever think that any of you need to seek my permission to improve anything submitted by me. Of course I can only speak for myself but I can't see any reason that this should not be the default. If there is ever an issue and I think the additions are incorrect, I'll let y'all know. Until then I believe that your time can be spent more productively than tracking me down for a response.
Would anyone object to this line of thinking?
We seem to be attracting a much better quality of refreree, even those who were a little lacking have been taking the time to learn their roles. Things are looking good on the ref front.
I agree that a referee should be able to correct entries without permission of the person making the entry. It is a requirement to have at least one catalog, and genuine interest in a particular region in order to become a referee for that region. Given this condition, we should be able to infer that the referees know more about the region they are refereeing than the average coin collector; therefore, if they see mistakes in the entries, they should be able to quickly correct it, and prevent incorrect postings from being published.
I am happy to see it was you to take this on. you're doing a great organizational development job here at the site. I have already noticed a lot of positive results in a short period of time.
For the rest of the people with grievances, now please allow Jarcek to catch up with the work that has to be done. It is going to take a while to correct some of these issues.