Creating **Exonumia** [solved]

Pah, lightweight. I'm closing in on 6,000 and not all of them are rabble rousing

I'll have a nice selection of requests for you to validate when you return in the morning.

I just submitted requests to change Donbas and Donetsk tokens to exonumia. Didn't do any more because I don't know what changes are pending approval. Seems like we need some way to know what is pending approval so that we are not working on something that has already been submitted.

There are some attitudes of individuals that (that have posted to this thread), which would and probably have, caused possible new members and older members to immigrate their collections to Colnect. If some of the, so called deletions suggestions are actually acted upon and implemented, it will be another reason to migrate to Colnect. If they ARE implemented, I for one, will not be able to have my NUMISMATIC MATERIAL collection in one place, and will substantiate the necessity to migrate ...

I'm not going to point fingers, call names, as you know who you are. If you call yourself a Numismatist and then belittle someone else's collection preferences of NUMISMATIC MATERIAL by calling to have it deleted from the catalog, then you are a hypocrite.

Regardless of what was in the beginning, growth is inevitable. Those that do not accept growth are infantile.

Numista has become, but starting to falter, as "the place to go" for reliable information. To get a better grasp on what is Numismatic Material, please do some much needed research. If you are to bound to your PURIST coin collecting mentality, DO NOT force it on others. Numista is experiencing growth into a Numismatic site and has no place for condescending purists attitudes, so STFU ...

Yada yada yada

You can flap your lips in a barely veiled shot at me, I don't really care. Or you can help with moving things into the new exonumia sections. I've moved around 80 or so today, how much have you done for the improvement of the usability of the catalogue today rather than telling me to shut the f**k up?

I for one am just pleased that something is actually happening this time. There have been numerous debates about the tokens in the past and many users complaining about both the usability of the tokens section and the rubbish that is getting approved. But in the past it has always stalled because of the hoarders who can't bear to throw away anything out of the catalogue "Hey, leave my chuck-e-cheese tokens alone, I may need them later" and so we end up with things going the way they have always gone. But things are changing, finally we have a dedicated team member who is prepared to actually act and you don't like it.

So I ask you, who is really the one who is afraid of change? The one who is grimly trying to get things to stay the way they have always been, or someone who is actively pushing for change in the way we do things and the knuckling down and doing the work of implementing the changes?

Quote: "neilithic"​Yada yada yada
​
​You can flap your lips in a barely veiled shot at me, I don't really care. Or you can help with moving things into the new exonumia sections. I've moved around 80 or so today, how much have you done for the improvement of the usability of the catalogue today rather than telling me to shut the f**k up?
​
So I ask you, who is really the one who is afraid of change? The one who is grimly trying to get things to stay the way they have always been, or someone who is actively pushing for change in the way we do things and the knuckling down and doing the work of implementing the changes?

​Your "yada yada yada" confirms the shoe must have fit ..

In response to your question above:

From your profile:
Catalogue contributions: 33 coins added, 62 years added, 164 coins edited, 34 years edited

From my profile:
Catalogue contributions: 402 coins added, 834 years added, 1797 coins edited, 474 years edited

I think that sufficiently answers your question ...

I see you've conveniently forgotten to answer my last question, and ignore the fact that I was obviously talking about the move of non tokens into the exonumia section. Of course I haven't done as much in the catalogue because I have just two physical catalogues on New Zealand Trade tokens and coins and most things I collect are already in the Numista catalogue.

Anyway, I'm now up to 100 moved out of tokens and into Exonumia (as soon as Jarcek approves them) Onwards and upwards. Feel free to join in any time.

I can only conclude from the personal attacks that it's dawned on you that this is actually happening and it's got you scared.

Quote: "neilithic"​I see you've conveniently forgotten to answer my last question, and ignore the fact that I was obviously talking about the move of non tokens into the exonumia section. Of course I haven't done as much in the catalogue because I have just two physical catalogues on New Zealand Trade tokens and coins and most things I collect are already in the Numista catalogue.
​
​Anyway, I'm now up to 100 moved out of tokens and into Exonumia (as soon as Jarcek approves them) Onwards and upwards. Feel free to join in any time.
​
​I can only conclude from the personal attacks that it's dawned on you that this is actually happening and it's got you scared.

​I answered your last question .. Comprehension may be need .. !!!

The main reason I have not joined in the move project is that Numista does not include Notaphily and Scripophily. I am in the process of entering my collections in those areas into the Colnect catalog and really do not not like jumping back and forth between projects .. as neither would be done proficiently ..

I am not attacking you personally, you are interpreting it as a personal attack and since you are the only one to respond so far, there must be some percentage of truth to it.

The recent addition of Exonumia, is not a scary thing. At least not to me, actually it's most welcomed. It proves the growth comment that I made earlier. If someone that has the authority and access privileges to the database(catalog), actually listens to your ranting and raging to delete ... Now that would be scary .. !!!

Oh but they already have. Here's the quote from our sponsor Jarcek earlier in the thread

"You both will have to make concessions and you know it. Some things will stay and some (that were not only agreed on but also decided by Xavier) will have to go."

Obviously there's the extremes. You who wants to keep everything, and me who wants to remove anything that isn't a genuine token. The reality will be somewhere in the middle, but things WILL eventually be deleted and you're just going to have to deal with that.


The tokens/exonumia needed structure and rules rather than the free-for-all it is at the moment. Change is never easy, and if I have earned the enmity of some members for actively fighting for it, then so be it. I can live with that.

Quote: "neilithic"​Oh but they already have. Here's the quote from our sponsor Jarcek earlier in the thread
​
​"You both will have to make concessions and you know it. Some things will stay and some (that were not only agreed on but also decided by Xavier) will have to go."
​
​Obviously there's the extremes. You who wants to keep everything, and me who wants to remove anything that isn't a genuine token. The reality will be somewhere in the middle, but things WILL eventually be deleted and you're just going to have to deal with that.
​

​Please explain to me, where in any post, in any thread, that I have explicitly stated that I want to keep everything that's in the catalog ...

Furthermore, WTFaY to tell me "you're just going to have to deal with that" ..  ??? Not only are you arrogant, but you can also add impetuous ..

Xavier owns the site. Xavier makes the decisions on what goes and what stays. Not you, with your ranting and raging. If you want to make suggestions, fine, do so, we all can.. I, myself, am fed up with you trying to shove your whim down our throats using the squeaky wheel approach to get things your way. I intend to go with the flow of Xavier's decisions. If I do not agree with his decisions, then it will be my choice to stay or go..

So this "might" possibly be the last of my discussion on this thread. I've made my point, and will now follow my own advice in my signature line .. Have a good day ..

Oh, one last thing. You don't have to try to interpret or assume this as towards you, it is, and in direct response to your condescending appraisal of me .. It seems to me, looking over a lot of the older threads, is that you look for and thrive on controversy .. If none is there, you will do your best to create it, this thread is a good example .. END OF LINE ...

Firstly - you wanted a quote that said you wanted to keep everything in the catalogue. Here it is

"There may be some items in the catalog that have little or no numismatic value, but someone collects it."

Secondly...I know Xavier decides what stays and goes...which is why Every single suggestion I have made about what to remove from the site in this thread was what was decided in the team forums a year ago and from Xavier himself.

If I really need me to reiterate it. Here are the quotes from Xavier:

"Pressed pennies, military orders, commercial tokens/gifts, plastic tokens should not be included at all."

and from the team forum which Jarcek posted in an earlier thread, and which I'm pretty sure Dptashny and Kenny have posted before:

"These are the items that will be removed from the *Tokens* list:

Pressed pennies
Religious medallions
Contemporary fakes
Modern fake coins
Arcade tokens
Medallions
Play tokens (metal and plastic)
Military orders"

If you don't like that, then don't complain to me, complain to Xavier and the team. I'm not the one that has suggested this, I'm merely fighting to implement what has already been decided.

Quote: "eug"​I just submitted requests to change Donbas and Donetsk tokens to exonumia. Didn't do any more because I don't know what changes are pending approval. Seems like we need some way to know what is pending approval so that we are not working on something that has already been submitted.

​I will pretend that discussion above never happened. This was the only post with some value in it really...

And you are right eug. I will post newly open categories here. But general rule is as follows: If one sees Fantasy Amazonia in Exonumia, that basically means all Fantasy tokens from Amazonia are in need of moving there. But it only general rule, if there would be some telephone tokens in Amazonia Token section, it does not mean they should be moved too without asking.

So please, think before moving, ask before moving if you are in doubt, but do not fight here.

New sections that needs to be moved.

• Tatarstan
  
• Galapagos Islands
  
• Tuva
  

If you're OK I will also move Fantasy rouble issues of Abkhazia. Only roubles as they're for sure pure fantasy.

Sure. They belong there. With Apsar I am not sure though.

Quote: "Jarcek"​Sure. They belong there. With Apsar I am not sure though.

​Remember I was supporting their come-back as a separate listing, even unclassified in Krause in my memory.

I would not like to see them in "country" list. Besides whole legitimacy/recognition/commemoration of forced expulsions controversy, there is one more argument from me - do they excercise control over their territory to that extent that they would/could issue their own currency? I say no, in other words, more politically, is they were independent, they would have their coins already (South Sudan?)

For me, it is just a territory (and as such it could go into list of territories) occupied and under Moscow total control. Just look at South Ossetia (same example) which wants to hold referendum on joining the Russian Federation.

In striking other hand example - Hutt River or Seborga were able to mint their own coinage (even circulate it of sorts) why? Because they exercised control over their own land.

To sum it up - too much controversy to move them to country list until at least its name gets modified/splitted to something more apolitical (Country's and territories list etc..)

But special territories have their own listings as well, even uncirculating. But I think this is another debate.

1. I looked at it seems that Team never discussed this.

2. It seems to me that only those (Marked X) are in the country list if they actually circulated somewhere (on some piece of land + Sealand) That is the case of Seborga, mentioned Sealand, Hutt River, Lundy...

We should discuss it thoroughly in the Team forum.

New sections:

• Cabo Dakhla
  
• Isla de la Juventud
  
• Lundy
  
• Chechnya
  

Thanks you derf for taking over the ethical path, while I was sleeping with the Becherovka

Jarek, can you create "Fantasy issues - Order of Malta" then I can pack them over

What about this guy?
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces45504.html

Please create a category for him.

Mission accomplished

Poor one, I forgot him again (Neil already pointed on him before.)

Wow, thank you all, this goes pretty well.

I will designate more categories for Exonumia and post them here. If you do something, post it here, to let others know that you did one particular category.

More categories:

• Aland
  
• Nord
  
• Spitsbergen
  
• Somaliland
  
• Saint Eustatius
  
• Saba
  
• Palestine
  

Order of Malta?

Have submitted changes to move the following "Fantasy issues": Andaman & Nicobar Islands, Bassas da India, Amazonia, Bonaire, Cabinda, Cabo Dakhla, Isla de la Juventud, Lundy, Tatarstan, Tuva.

Hope that others will also list what they have submitted so that we don't duplicate efforts.

Will work some more on this later. My wife is dragging me off to the garden center so I will probably be spending the rest of today doing yard work.

Have a great digging!

Quote: "eug"​. My wife is dragging me off to the garden center so I will probably be spending the rest of today doing yard work.

​There are more important things than just coins. Like digging.. (Thanks Imre ) Thanks anyway, you did more that enough!

I am getting there with Malta, maybe later today, maybe tommorow.

Quote: "Jarcek"​

Quote: "eug"​. My wife is dragging me off to the garden center so I will probably be spending the rest of today doing yard work.

​​There are more important things than just coins. Like digging.. (Thanks Imre ) Thanks anyway, you did more that enough!
​
​I am getting there with Malta, maybe later today, maybe tommorow.

​just let me know, as I still have some Becherovka for taoday, plus it seems like tomorrow is a Numista day for me, arranging some swaps and whatever needs to be done in Romans and Hungarians ....

OK, Becherovka is finished [3 days heavy work!!!] , but still tomorrow, I can add work tomorrow ...

Small warning before launching new countries: we should treat old remaining "token" coin file creations. Some ones are concerning fantasy coinage.

Well done everyone. Close to 500 coins in the Exonumia section in just 2 days. I'm off on Holiday but I'll come back and do some more work on it by Tuesday.

Quote: "chomp-master"​Small warning before launching new countries: we should treat old remaining "token" coin file creations. Some ones are concerning fantasy coinage.

​I know, but it is neverending stream!

So i jumped to help in moving palestine fantasy tokens
but the pix are getting changed every time! I tried twice and it gave me 2 different results even though all I did was changing the country and currency !!

Im posting this here in case anyone is facing the same issue, maybe?



EDIT:
I re opened the request page and now this is showing!!!


its now the correct images, so this is even more weird now. and the fact that there is a modification in the images in the 1st place is weird too

EDIT2:
and its happening again ..

I started with Palestine but someone finished all the rest
Somaliland is done and pending now
categories needed:
- somalia (lots of weirdly shaped coins)
- south sudan (just 2 coins to be moved)

Quote: "Jarcek"​

Quote: "chomp-master"​Small warning before launching new countries: we should treat old remaining "token" coin file creations. Some ones are concerning fantasy coinage.

​​I know, but it is neverending stream!

​There are not so much fantasy issues I guess in the global token amount waiting for validation.

Pending validation: Spitsbergen, Chechnya

Pending validation: Easter Island, Galapagos Islands.

Can't find any tokens in " Faroe Islands."

I think that all of the 'Fantasy Issues" that are available to move have either been moved or are pending validation. Need some more categories created in Exonumia for Fantasy issues.

Quote: "AmerSalmeh"​So i jumped to help in moving palestine fantasy tokens
​but the pix are getting changed every time! I tried twice and it gave me 2 different results even though all I did was changing the country and currency !!
​
​Im posting this here in case anyone is facing the same issue, maybe?
​
​
​
​EDIT:
​I re opened the request page and now this is showing!!!
​
​
​its now the correct images, so this is even more weird now. and the fact that there is a modification in the images in the 1st place is weird too
​
​EDIT2:
​and its happening again ..
​

​Pick the current pics and replace them by the copy you just made, keeping the same source.

Wha You guys mean under " play tokens"  ?

Slot machines tokens? If we will delete these tokens, so what is token then?

Slot machines will surely stay Dato.

With pictures I have no idea.

Faroe islands are hidden under Íles Faroe.

Oh damn... If we start moving already tourist tokens, now we have a big issue with backlog creations, and I don't take count of the French forum, even still not reacting, this would probably occur soon with all these moves.

Ok, I will go backwards on this. You are right - too much for now.

We will move "easiest" categories first, Tourist monnaie de paris would be too much to handle at once.

New categories:

• Crimea
  
• Cocos Islands
  
• Clipperton Islands
  
• Christiania
  
• Chad
  
• Central American States
  
• Central African Republic
  
• Cameroon
  
• Burkina Faso
  
• Bhutan
  
• Benin
  
• Micronesia
  

Can you check March 23rd requests? It seems they're fantasy issues of Novorossia.

They have been dealt with!

Well done folks, I can only admire your enthusiasm and energy for what is a not very glamorous task. I particularly appreciate the efforts to seek counsel from the membership at every stage and to address the concerns as they arise. It's a much wiser course than unilaterally deciding on wholesale and permanent deletions.

I probably belong in the numismatic purists camp but that's just my view and shouldn't be imposed on the other 50,000+ members who might see things differently. It entitles me to arrange my collection according to my personal whims, nothing more. If someone else collects elongated pennies then it doesn't diminish my enjoyment of the hobby at all.

I think a compromise is needed between the two camps along the lines of "numismatically related". I'm personally only interested in "numismatically legitimate", others only in "numismatically significant" and of course there is a strong component in our ranks whose tastes include "loosely related to coins". It occurs to me though that from a research point of view the more inclusive the better.

Let me try to clarify my foggy morning thoughts a little by exploring an example or two. It's fair to assume that a large number of our members discovered Numista while researching a coin or two. Although we all see and use Numista differently, one of it's real pillars is as a research tool. Anyone else remember the first time they picked up an apothecary's weight and wondered what type of coin it was? They look very much like coins but clearly by our definition they are not. By including them and making them available in search results we don't just offer a service to those who collect such things but we also allow the purist faction to identify their "non coin" status. Similarly the retro patterns and fantasy issues look very much like coins (that's actually the intent I believe). Absent their inclusion new collectors might continue to believe that their "pattern coin" was actually struck during the 1800's and has any numismatic significance.

Information is the name of the game in 2016 and even the most obscure morsel can prove invaluable to those seeking it.

I have every confidence that our new generation of administrators aided by energized volunteers are on the right path to bring some much needed order to the token chaos. Strong personalities will inevitably clash, we are all passionate about numismatics or we wouldn't be here. Let's not allow our differences over the best route distract us from the destination - a well ordered exonumia section.

jarcek, you've certainly been busy creating new Fantasy issue categories.

Submitted for validation: Benin, Bhutan, Burkina-Faso, Cameroon, Christiana, Cocos (Keeling) Island, Faroe Islands

Submitted for validation: Central African Republic, Central American States, Chad, Crimea, Micronesia.

I believe that this takes care of all available categories in Fantasy issues. Ready for more.

All now done. Thanks to unknown member of the Team who did part of this batch.

New sections:

• La Posta
  
• Kurdistan
  
• Komi
  
• Kelantan
  

jarcek, I submitted these and chomp-master immediately validated them, so we are all caught up.

chomp-master, sorry for the duplicates. I had pasted something irrelevant in the "resources" section of the duplicate requests and thought that I had to redo them.

Good news!

Exonumia has been transferred after tokens and removed from the country numbering, so we can consider then the Fait accompli phase open I guess.

Few more:

• Mali
  
• Togo
  
• South Ossetia
  
• Senegal
  

All of the above submitted for approval.

Hi, I'm back and ready to get back to it.

I have a little request for you Jarcek. Is it possible to edit your first post in this thread to list all the categories currently being worked on. That's a lot easier to find for someone like me who has been away for a few days and is unsure where we're up to. That way you can remove them once they've all been completed.

Ok, I will see what I can do about it. But I have to get up first.

Any progress on new categories?

I don't know if Jarcek has already decided to add new ones, or of we mentioned all created ones, but let's make the - to date - full list of Exonumia categories:

• Fantasy circulation Euro Tokens - Aland
  
• Fantasy circulation Euro Tokens - Albania
  
• Fantasy circulation Euro Tokens - Alderney
  
• Fantasy circulation Euro Tokens - Andorra
  
• Fantasy circulation Euro Tokens - Armenia
  
• Fantasy circulation Euro Tokens - Aruba
  
• Fantasy circulation Euro Tokens - Austria
  
• Fantasy circulation Euro Tokens - Azores
  
• Fantasy circulation Euro Tokens - Balearic Islands
  
• Fantasy circulation Euro Tokens - Belarus
  
• Fantasy circulation Euro Tokens - Belgium
  
• Fantasy circulation Euro Tokens - Benelux
  
• Fantasy circulation Euro Tokens - Bosnia and Herzegovina
  
• Fantasy circulation Euro Tokens - Brittany
  
• Fantasy circulation Euro Tokens - Bulgaria
  
• Fantasy circulation Euro Tokens - Croatia
  
• Fantasy circulation Euro Tokens - Cyprus
  
• Fantasy circulation Euro Tokens - Czech Republic
  
• Fantasy circulation Euro Tokens - Denmark
  
• Fantasy circulation Euro Tokens - Estonia
  
• Fantasy circulation Euro Tokens - Faroe Islands
  
• Fantasy circulation Euro Tokens - Finland
  
• Fantasy circulation Euro Tokens - Germany
  
• Fantasy circulation Euro Tokens - Great Britain
  
• Fantasy circulation Euro Tokens - Greenland
  
• Fantasy circulation Euro Tokens - Guadeloupe
  
• Fantasy circulation Euro Tokens - Hungary
  
• Fantasy circulation Euro Tokens - Iceland
  
• Fantasy circulation Euro Tokens - Ireland
  
• Fantasy circulation Euro Tokens - Kosovo
  
• Fantasy circulation Euro Tokens - Latvia
  
• Fantasy circulation Euro Tokens - Liechtenstein
  
• Fantasy circulation Euro Tokens - Liguria
  
• Fantasy circulation Euro Tokens - Lithuania
  
• Fantasy circulation Euro Tokens - Luxembourg
  
• Fantasy circulation Euro Tokens - Malta
  
• Fantasy circulation Euro Tokens - Melilla
  
• Fantasy circulation Euro Tokens - Monaco
  
• Fantasy circulation Euro Tokens - Montenegro
  
• Fantasy circulation Euro Tokens - Montserrat
  
• Fantasy circulation Euro Tokens - Norway
  
• Fantasy circulation Euro Tokens - Poland
  
• Fantasy circulation Euro Tokens - Romania
  
• Fantasy circulation Euro Tokens - San Marino
  
• Fantasy circulation Euro Tokens - Serbia
  
• Fantasy circulation Euro Tokens - Slovakia
  
• Fantasy circulation Euro Tokens - Slovenia
  
• Fantasy circulation Euro Tokens - Sweden
  
• Fantasy circulation Euro Tokens - Switzerland
  
• Fantasy circulation Euro Tokens - Turkey
  
• Fantasy circulation Euro Tokens - Vatican City
  
• Fantasy issues - Abkhazia
  
• Fantasy issues - Adelie Land
  
• Fantasy issues - Aland
  
• Fantasy issues - Amazonia
  
• Fantasy issues - Andaman & Nicobar Islands
  
• Fantasy issues - Anjouan
  
• Fantasy issues - Australia
  
• Fantasy issues - Bassas da India
  
• Fantasy issues - Benin
  
• Fantasy issues - Bhutan
  
• Fantasy issues - Bonaire
  
• Fantasy issues - Burkina Faso
  
• Fantasy issues - Cabinda
  
• Fantasy issues - Cabo Dakhla
  
• Fantasy issues - Cameroon
  
• Fantasy issues - Central African Republic
  
• Fantasy issues - Central American States (ODECA)
  
• Fantasy issues - Chad
  
• Fantasy issues - Chechnya
  
• Fantasy issues - Christiania
  
• Fantasy issues - Clipperton Island
  
• Fantasy issues - Cocos (Keeling) Islands
  
• Fantasy issues - Crimea
  
• Fantasy issues - Crozet Islands
  
• Fantasy issues - Dagestan
  
• Fantasy issues - Damanhur
  
• Fantasy issues - Darfur
  
• Fantasy issues - Donbass
  
• Fantasy issues - Donetsk
  
• Fantasy issues - Easter Island
  
• Fantasy issues - Faroe Islands
  
• Fantasy issues - French Southern and Antarctic Lands
  
• Fantasy issues - Gabon
  
• Fantasy issues - Galapagos Islands
  
• Fantasy issues - Isla de la Juventud
  
• Fantasy issues - Kelantan
  
• Fantasy issues - Kerguelen Islands
  
• Fantasy issues - Komi
  
• Fantasy issues - Kurdistan
  
• Fantasy issues - La Posta
  
• Fantasy issues - Lundy
  
• Fantasy issues - Maldives
  
• Fantasy issues - Mali
  
• Fantasy issues - Micronesia
  
• Fantasy issues - Nord
  
• Fantasy issues - Novorossiya
  
• Fantasy issues - Palestine
  
• Fantasy issues - Saba
  
• Fantasy issues - Saint Eustatius
  
• Fantasy issues - Senegal
  
• Fantasy issues - Somaliland
  
• Fantasy issues - South Ossetia
  
• Fantasy issues - Spitsbergen
  
• Fantasy issues - Tatarstan
  
• Fantasy issues - Togo
  
• Fantasy issues - Tuva
  
• Fantasy issues - Wallis and Futuna
  

EDIT: finally added Fantasy issues - Araucania and Patagonia (due to a new fantasy coin request)

I slowed down. Created few more categories - where was just one or two coins for example, and I am wainting for some Xavier additional opinion. Above mentioned categories are both right and complete (thanks Chomp.)

Araucania and Patagonia submitted for validation.

I decided to move things a little, and added new categories for token movements.

New categories:

• Niger
  
• Mauritania
  
• Ivory Coast
  
• Islamic state (yes I hate this section more than Hutt River)
  
• Guinea-Bissau
  
• Guatemala
  
• Greenland
  

And few more:

• Order of Malta
  
• Northern Mariana Islands
  
• Northern Cyprus
  
• North Pole
  
• Nightingale Island
  
• Padania
  
• Perak
  
• Redonda
  

Submitted for validation.

Order of Malta
Northern Cyprus
North Pole
Nightingale Island
Padania
Perak
Redonda

I've done Padaina, Perak and Redondo already ( a couple of hours ago). I think Jarcek has gone beddy-byes though.

Northern Mariana Islands has also been submitted for validation.

I always post the sections that I have submitted for validation so that nobody else spends time working on something that has already been done.

That was quick. Thanks! I will try to find some time today evening to add some more.

Quote: "Jarcek"​I decided to move things a little, and added new categories for token movements.
​
​New categories:
​

• Niger
  ​
  
• Mauritania
  ​
  
• Ivory Coast
  ​
  
• Islamic state (yes I hate this section more than Hutt River)
  ​
  
• Guinea-Bissau
  ​
  
• Guatemala
  ​
  
• Greenland
  ​
  

​

​No one mentioned these. but I guess they are done

you can add south sudan and somalia if you are looking for countries to add

also, this coin from Northern Cyprus wasnt moved. is it a token or a fantasy coin?
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces21080.html

I will add new ones today evening. And yes, that one from N. Cyprus was missed.

Quote: "AmerSalmeh"​

Quote: "Jarcek"​I decided to move things a little, and added new categories for token movements.
​​
​​New categories:
​​
​

• Niger
  ​​
  ​
  
• Mauritania
  ​​
  ​
  
• Ivory Coast
  ​​
  ​
  
• Islamic state (yes I hate this section more than Hutt River)
  ​​
  ​
  
• Guinea-Bissau
  ​​
  ​
  
• Guatemala
  ​​
  ​
  
• Greenland
  ​​
  ​
  

​​

​​No one mentioned these. but I guess they are done
​
​you can add south sudan and somalia if you are looking for countries to add
​
​also, this coin from Northern Cyprus wasnt moved. is it a token or a fantasy coin?
​https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces21080.html

​Yeah I did all those. Sorry, I didn't realise we were supposed to post what we were working on. I just saw something that needed to be done and did it.

Here is the proof that I am utterly supportive:
I will arrange the "Order of Malta" coins not later than the end of the weekend."

Hallass

Next ones are:

• Somalia
  
• Westarctica
  
• Western Sahara
  

I'll take Western Sahara

[Edit] Nobody has spoken up so I'll move onto westarctica

[edit] Still nobody else so I'll do Somalia too

SOVRANO OSPEDALIERO ORDINE DI MALTA, Saint John's Order of Malta has been migrated,
looking for next orders, Seficko!

Thanks to both of you!

Ok, most of Fantasy issues are gone.

I would like to ask you for two things now:

1. find out any remaining Fantasies.

2. Advice what should we move next. I cannot guarantee anything, just would like to know your opinions.

Xenostrov
South Sudan

Thanks, both are gone now!

And hockey starts in 10 minutes, so I will be gone for few hours.

How about these?
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces23524.html
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces11515.html

I'll try to search for new categories to check. Maybe we can already think about opening new sections like sport tokens.

PS: which match?

EDIT: the last one would be a good example of advertising tokens

Czech Republic vs. Russia of course!"!!

I believe so, we will be able to open something soon.

To Amer: Will check them.

I would name the last one as Advertising tokens - Switzerland

Categories that should be reviewed for Fantasy tokens: Europa Island, NUMISMA, Rwanda, Saint Pierre and Miquelon, Samoa, Sierra Leone, Serbia and Bosnia, Panama, Europe - Fantasy ECU tokens, Federated States of Europe, San Marino, United Nations, Zamunda

Gents,
I would go for the serious exonumia items, i.e. historic, contemporary commemorative medals and medallions, like these ones:

https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces65575.html
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces66040.html

1) I would - you know - place them in a different '"country", called
"**Commemorative medals & medallions**",
because I trust these are a different game than fantasy exonumia AND a very important numismatic area!

2) then I would move into:
"** Tourist medallions**" - again a different country, as these are touristic numismatic materials, showing high quality engraving, plus you have a large collector base on the french side for this, so easy to reason...

3) then
"**Mint tokens**, yet another "country", but it is most direct numismatic stuff related to most of the people's mint sets which they have.

Rest be rest in peace in the token section....

p.s. if you delete ... you know ... you shall be burnt, etc ....

@eug: Zamunda moved as having only one token.

@imreh: already highlighted the Numismatic Medals issue. Its name may remain under discussion as this debate didn't start yet. Concerning "tourist medallions", there is a high opposition in the French side to consider them simply as tokens or somethong else than medals, moreover their lettering mentions it clearly as "official medals" from Monnaie de Paris.

Quote: "chomp-master"​@eug: Zamunda moved as having only one token.
​
​@imreh: already highlighted the Numismatic Medals issue. Its name may remain under discussion as this debate didn't start yet. Concerning "tourist medallions", there is a high opposition in the French side to consider them simply as tokens or somethong else than medals, moreover their lettering mentions it clearly as "official medals" from Monnaie de Paris.

​Bonsoir Monsieur,
I do not care about the name, just they shall remain in this deleting frenzy and they shall be neatly structured.
However it surely describes the biass. The numismatic-nazi had no problems deleting my Estonian and Italian Tourist Medallions, but saved all my 43 Monnaie de Paris stuff. Strange? ... oh no, Monsieur, that is normal, ... I guess for him.
Apologies for over-reacting, but anyways.

I hardly pushed for exonumia, Jedsada left because of it and Xavier does not seem to like it really much.

So for now, I am not really in favor of creating any more "countries". That was never my intention anyway.

But that is also reason why I structured Exonumia the way it is. Not by country but by type. That way, I believe everything will have its respected place. One could skip all fantasy coinage and go directly to medals and will have all of them in one place.

Thanks eug!

Quote: "Jarcek"​I hardly pushed for exonumia, Jedsada left because of it and Xavier does not seem to like it really much.
​
​So for now, I am not really in favor of creating any more "countries". That was never my intention anyway.
​
​But that is also reason why I structured Exonumia the way it is. Not by country but by type. That way, I believe everything will have its respected place. One could skip all fantasy coinage and go directly to medals and will have all of them in one place.

​Good.
VERY GOOD

I hope Xavier reads this:

This is not his site anymore, developed over his authority

... while Xavier, you have been sleeping in China ...

He has lost the control and management of it ... way, and long way way .. before ...

This is absolutely normal, and it shall be managed by people like you.

Jedsada left? okay? ... so what?
did Florino leave already? or any of the criminals? ... please tell me: YES

Why worry?
- We do not need numismatic-dynasaurs, no KM-freaks, and no french-biassed individuals.

Xavier has to accept that his own site has grown over his head and now it is an international site with reliable numismatic experts, not just college/kindergarten friends.

Xavier has no views on Exonumia, so why worry?

Do what makes sense!

and go for it! - unless Xavier reacts, which is unlikely, just act! - as soon as you do not delete it is okay!

OK, Russia just lost 0:3 to Czech Republic, in first match at home tournament! And while they are weeping, I will move on the exonumia again, if euphoria lets me.

Dotoho!

Additional categories to check for Fantasy issues; I missed them in my last posting

Cambodia
Minerva
French Antarctic Territories
Gardiner's Island
India - EIC Fantasy Tokens
Kuwait - Fantasy Tokens
Northern Ireland
St. Kitts and Nevis
St. Vincent and the Grenadines
Sudan
Wales
Zambia - Fantasy Issues


Catalonia has ECU tokens. Not sure where they belong.

Uf, I might overestimated its completion.

Numisma is gone and one can help with remaining Europa island. I will look at the others now.

jarcek, it's kinda like when you move furniture from your old house to your new house and you think you are almost done, but find out that you still have one truckload left You may not understand this if you have never had to do your own moving.

I'll take Europa Island. Submitted

Know THAT!

Well done everyone. There have now been over 1,000 items moved into the exonumia section.

You can probably guess my suggestions for next sections.

The plastic play money, and the shopping cart tokens

Will Casino tokens move or will they remain under their country in a subsection as they exist today? For example
United States - Casino Tokens

First of all: Great job! Finally the Exonumia category is taking form and the Token list finally has a chance to be kind of organised.
One question though, which I found more of a chance than was looking for "errors". This Tongan 5 Pa'anga coin, isn't this a commemorative coin? Should it really be placed among the Exonumia? Or is the plan that the commemorative coins will be put there as well?

I have read about half of the posts here, and I have no right to say what should and shouldn't be done, but like someone (or probably more than one) is that we should be careful to not create a new Colnect. I just want to make an early warning that it might seem like it's okay to add more and more 'random' stuff here on Numista now, while more lists are being created. First there was the messy Token section. Now we have an Exonumia and (I might've misunderstood) now people are talking about plastic/toy coins. Soon there will be other lists with items which are farther away from the main idea of this site. So please be careful with what you/we accept to be added.

If I may suggest something. I reckon it would be a good idea to add a new topic in the forum, a poll, for each ategory we are coming across during the move to the new list. Like plastic coins, toy/play coins, tourist tokens/coins etc. Each of these categories could have its own poll where we, the members, can vote if we want them on the site or not. I know this might sound harsh, but since banknotes are "banned", it actually might be an good idea to "ban" other categories as well. Since Colnect exists and has a huge list of all kind of tokens, we might not need to have all of them here as well. And by having a poll for each of these categories, we will soon see how much we want them in our list. The fewer categories, the more accurate will our catalog be.

According to the poll system it might be confusing to know how to do if you wan to show that you want to keep the category or not, so my idea was to do it something like this:
Let's say the question is: "Shall we delete tourist tokens from Numista?", for example. By clicking "like" it would mean; "I like the idea to remove this section". (It might also be a good idea to have that written at the top of each poll. "By clicking 'like' means that you want it deletet" or something. Because who knows, maybe there are just like 50-100 members who collects from these categories, then it might be better to give it up and focus more on the categories which the main part actually are collecting. The problem, though, is that we will have to delete someone else's work, and that will always be a sensitive thing. Step one here could be to check if the creator is still a member.

This was just some brain storming. Personally I would like to see some real cleaning in the catalog, but then the majority should be positive dor it to happen. Until everyone has had a change to have a say, nothing should be deleted.

I can only answer you for nw concerning the Tongan token. I say Token as this is not considered as a coin, as still registered in Exonumia catalog. Just look at the file reference, and check NGC as well which will confirm the actual classification.

Don't worry, commemoratives will remain listed if reknown as real commemoratives, including NCLTs.

I am now pretty ill, so I cannot do anything really.

NCLT will of course remain in the coin section.

Regarding categories - that is not why I created exonumia. I just want to clean up the mess for now.

I am still not convinced what should go next after faantasy coinage.