Gold Islamic Ottoman?

I am way out of my league with coins like this, I have just bought them after following a gut feeling, any clues on what they are and dates would be appreciated.

I can't show the other sides of them as I don't have the coins yet and only one image was in the listing for each, they look gold with no visible rusting or verdigris to indicate they are another metal, of course that can only be verified by testing.

First two



Second two



All input would be greatly appreciated.

Fluke, the tugras on those are illegible and simplistic. In tugras the parts that show on your "coins" is just a framework for the writing of the sultans name.

I use this website to compare coins to known tugras

http://www.tugra.org/en/tugralar.asp

Also in your first photo the small coin on the right has the numerals 7 and 8 (with a letter or symbol in between). Typically coins that show 78 as a regnal year are fake. To my knowledge no sultan ruled that long. The larger coin has no numbers on it, though something that looks like a 4 is included as part of the tugra.

The left coin in photo 2 also has a simplified tugra and no numerals. The coin on the right does not look Ottoman, to me.

The 3 holed coins seem to be the omnipresent belly dancer coins, I have 1 or 2 in my collection. Not saying that they are not gold or plated, but probably not coins. I have no background to form an opinion on the unholed coin.

That's exactly along the lines of what I was thinking, I had a couple suspected belly dancer coins not so long ago and they are appealing to the eye, so I got these after a gut reaction to take a chance.

Thanks for the input and confirming what I already thought.  

Here are my fakes compare to a pair of my good coins

Belly dancer coin

Crude tugra with 78 regnal year.

I also believe that this a fake

Crude tugra and inscription with legitimate dating and value. The bronze issue for a 10 Para coin did not have the flowers or inscription to the right though.

Legitimate Egyptian and Ottoman coins.


You can see that the designs are more refined and I feel have a much better eye appeal.

Quite a distinctive difference when there is another confirmed genuine coin to compare it to, much sharper and refined as you said.

This type of coin is not my strong point but it is something I have started to get interested in, even if I end up with a full belly dancers costume worth.  

Looks like I also purchased a similar coin to the coin on the right in picture  2, here is the back of the coin. No idea what it is although I have seen them before. Just cant remember where.

Quote: titan113ukLooks like I also purchased a similar coin to the coin on the right in picture  2, here is the back of the coin. No idea what it is although I have seen them before. Just cant remember where.

You bought from the same seller as well, darlingdaddies on eBay.co.uk right?

She is auctioning off her late fathers coin collection, I have thrown a lot of questions at her to see if warning signs show she is a scammer, she passed them all with flying colours and had genuine responses, from what I can see she appears to be a very nice person,  A lot of the coins seem to be copies, especially gold colour coins, the silver hammered etc. are genuine though from size and weight, its as if her late father was a coin hoarder and took in coins of all types and values.

Her listings are worth watching as she lists a few every 6-9 days because more than that would overwhelm her.

Of course I cant say 100% it is all with good intent, but my gut reaction is she is a trustworthy seller.

I have a number of these, most are of brass and have a small hole drilled in them. I was once told that they were worn as part of the costume by some belly dancers, but the guy who told me wa a bit cagey as to where he saw them so I was unable to verify his observation!!!!

Roy

I notice in the 4th row of the lower image there is a possible 1 keeping. the reverse is blank, but I would appreciate it if someone could identify it.

Thanks
Roy

first picture
bottom row,
first coin
is a Galata bridge token of 20 para
Date : about 1900-1920
It is Ottoman. It's the fare you pay to the tills when you cross Galata Bridge, which is a brigde that conencts two districts, Eminönü to Galata, the Muslim part (Eminönü) to the Non-Muslim part (Galata). Galata is an anciant settlement, originally settled by Italian levantens in early 1100's. It was autonomous until 1700's,and had his own ruler, called "Voivoda of Galata". Today, Galata is an old town district, very touristic indeed.
Yes, the word "Voivoda" is borrowed from Balkans, back then rulers of semi-autonom regions inside Ottoman Empire called "Voivodas". The naming tradition dates back to 1400's, when the Ottomans have both ally voivodas and enemy voivodas in the Balkans.
The old wooden Galata Brigde got burned down in 1992. A new, steel and metal brigde is made to replace it, since it is in a vital, busy traffic section of Istanbul. Cars coming from Eminönü and Aksaray have to cross it to get to Taksim, Beyoglu and Galata. It has a twin brigde, called Unkapani Brigde too, to relieve traffic.
https://www.google.be/maps/@41.0195...ata=!3m1!1e3
https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Galata_Bridge

Thanks for the info on the "bridge token". It is amazing how much history can be represented by a simple token.
I appreciate you sharing your knowledge.

Roy

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Quote: titan113ukLooks like I also purchased a similar coin to the coin on the right in picture  2, here is the back of the coin. No idea what it is although I have seen them before. Just cant remember where.

You bought from the same seller as well, darlingdaddies on eBay.co.uk right?

She is auctioning off her late fathers coin collection, I have thrown a lot of questions at her to see if warning signs show she is a scammer, she passed them all with flying colours and had genuine responses, from what I can see she appears to be a very nice person,  A lot of the coins seem to be copies, especially gold colour coins, the silver hammered etc. are genuine though from size and weight, its as if her late father was a coin hoarder and took in coins of all types and values.

Her listings are worth watching as she lists a few every 6-9 days because more than that would overwhelm her.

Of course I cant say 100% it is all with good intent, but my gut reaction is she is a trustworthy seller.

Have spent a while looking around and cant find any more info on this coin but will keep trying,

Roy

I saw 2 that I would do more research on.


AH1223 regnal year 27


AH 1223 regnal year 26

I did not see any copper, brass or bronze issues for those years, but the dates are legit. Would help if I could see the tugras.

The rest of the dates that I can read are 1222 year 78 which are obvious imitations, since that sultan only ruled 2 years.

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Quote: Fluke

Quote: titan113ukLooks like I also purchased a similar coin to the coin on the right in picture  2, here is the back of the coin. No idea what it is although I have seen them before. Just cant remember where.

You bought from the same seller as well, darlingdaddies on eBay.co.uk right?

She is auctioning off her late fathers coin collection, I have thrown a lot of questions at her to see if warning signs show she is a scammer, she passed them all with flying colours and had genuine responses, from what I can see she appears to be a very nice person,  A lot of the coins seem to be copies, especially gold colour coins, the silver hammered etc. are genuine though from size and weight, its as if her late father was a coin hoarder and took in coins of all types and values.

Her listings are worth watching as she lists a few every 6-9 days because more than that would overwhelm her.

Of course I cant say 100% it is all with good intent, but my gut reaction is she is a trustworthy seller.

Have spent a while looking around and cant find any more info on this coin but will keep trying,

I gave up as well because one side of mine is badly worn showing only the side you posted, all descriptions I could think of in google failed to produce anything near it. Would be interesting to know what it is, especially as it isn't holed!

Ah yes, the regnal year 78 is an imitation, since no emperor ruled that long.
I see several of them in your pictures
I have several of them, belly dansers....

These two are similar:
right one is real, left one is an imitation.
A picture of the other side would be useful

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Quote: titan113uk

Quote: Fluke

Quote: titan113ukLooks like I also purchased a similar coin to the coin on the right in picture  2, here is the back of the coin. No idea what it is although I have seen them before. Just cant remember where.

You bought from the same seller as well, darlingdaddies on eBay.co.uk right?

She is auctioning off her late fathers coin collection, I have thrown a lot of questions at her to see if warning signs show she is a scammer, she passed them all with flying colours and had genuine responses, from what I can see she appears to be a very nice person,  A lot of the coins seem to be copies, especially gold colour coins, the silver hammered etc. are genuine though from size and weight, its as if her late father was a coin hoarder and took in coins of all types and values.

Her listings are worth watching as she lists a few every 6-9 days because more than that would overwhelm her.

Of course I cant say 100% it is all with good intent, but my gut reaction is she is a trustworthy seller.

Have spent a while looking around and cant find any more info on this coin but will keep trying,

I gave up as well because one side of mine is badly worn showing only the side you posted, all descriptions I could think of in google failed to produce anything near it. Would be interesting to know what it is, especially as it isn't holed!

Taken from Pullman.com

Marriage Medalets from Iran (Persia)

These tokens seem to be associated with weddings. They are probably a totally separate tradition from the "arras" tokens. I am told that the writing is in Farsi and means May it be blessed", or "May it be fortunate." The tokens are from Iran.

oh well.... The hunt for the elusive genuine gold coins continues.