Real or fake? - 1786 Frederick the Great silver thaler [photos]

I found this seemingly nicely toned Frederick the Great silver thaler, which looks a lot more authentic than some of the ones I've come across online, but I'm still not fully convinced...

What does the esteemed Numista community think, and if real, how much do you reckon it should sell for in a typical store (USD)? Your far more expert opinions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!

   

P.S. Out of interest, is this coin widely faked? I saw quite a few "interesting" variations online (e.g., mint marks other than A, different/missing tassels, even bronze versions!), so curious.

Looks original to me.
There were similar thalers with different mint marks (B, E), the Berlin one (A) is the most common. As for the price in the US, I can't say. The NGC  gives these estimates
http://www.ngccoin.com/price-guide/world/german-states-prussia-thaler-km-3321-1775-1786-cuid-59662-duid-161201

It should be legit, the wear looks even and unwashed like most fakes.

That's good to know, thanks!

The wear and toning does look very even and natural, I agree, but I wasn't too sure because the furthest right tassel is straight, but the photo in Numista shows a bent tassel.

Also, the 6 in the date looks different across various examples, plus some coins have the date closer to the above line than others.

P.S. If this coin was produced by other German mints, then why does Numista only list the A series?

I can imagine there are many unlisted varieties for early coinage, even a machine-struck coin like this. You can probably find examples online (ex. HeritageAuctions).

Looks real to me too.

If you still have doubts, you can always buy a certified coin, though it might be a bit more expensive . Here are a few examples
http://www.acsearch.info/search.html?term=PRUSSIa+Taler+1786&category=1-2&en=1&de=1&fr=1&it=1&es=1&ot=1&images=1&currency=usd&order=0&company=

Thanks for the extra opinions above, plus the useful link to the auction database site!

I suppose the coin is more likely authentic than not and in pretty decent circulated condition, esp for its age. I actually don't like UNC, AU, cleaned or otherwise shiny old coins, by the way, as I like my old coins to look somewhat old!

But after checking out the realised prices on acsearch.info for the same coin at various grades, I think this one is sadly rather overpriced, especially since it's not even certified.

Hmmm, better give it more thought...or try to negotiate! But thanks again for all of your input. Much appreciated!

Seems real.

How much do you reckon it should retail for?

According to the NGC link above for this particular coin (USD):
VG8  = $45
VF20 = $200
XF40 = $450

I guess the coin in my original post is anything between a VG and VF, and if so, anything between $45 and $200, which is quite a broad range!

I tried researching, but prices also vary, so now I'm unsure.

If I were aiming at buying the coin in the first post I would be thinking of the $150-$180 range, if there is no damage to the rim (no eyelet removed, serious rim nicks, etc).  An asking price of a $100 would have been a sure deal for me, $200 - a maybe ... after a very critical examination.

It looks about VF to me, they often have a bit of a weak strike on some of the higher points.
Still be carefull and make all checks for authenticity as I know of fakes of the exact same coin (Cant remember which year is being faked). Fakes are sold through websites from Russia and from China.

Eek, knowing my luck, since I quite like the coin, I bet the faked year/mint is 17A86!!

What do you guys think about THIS coin? Real or fake, and grade please. It is a 1785.

It looks like this guy might be pumping out fakes. Here is the link to his profile. What do you think? https://www.listia.com/profile/2354594