country mistake???

Dear all,

in the catalogue I am missing one country; North Vietnam

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Vietnam

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Vietnamese_%C4%91%E1%BB%93ng

As you all know North Vietnam was communist and in war with the South. South vietnam has his own country in our catalogue, but north not. The next coins are from North Vietnam;

https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces7505.html
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces7506.html
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces7507.html
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces6677.html
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces6379.html
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces7508.html
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces5671.html

But also these coins from 'rebels':

https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces11327.html
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces4985.html
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces2339.html


Ow and YES North Vietnam became VIETNAM but until 1976 North Vietnam was his own state, own things, own currency ETC, and South also had his own things, so thats the reason why I think we should add this country :). So all the coins from after 1976 from Vietnam.

But first I want to hear if you all agree with me :)!!

Kind regards
Jelle

As I understand , term  " Viet Nam" here means both  Democratic Republic Viet Nam ( which was  on the whole  Viet Nam territory befor separation, and  Socialistic Republic Viet Nam, which  was proclaimed after   DRVN won over  South Viet Nam.  So,  these two  political-geographic cases    can be  consider as one . For Today`s Vit Nam  SOuth part  is  a part which was occupied by  French  troops, and then by US.  
So, I think its  right separation.   However,  also right will be if   moderators  underline three  countries:
Democratic Republic of Viet Nam ( 1945-1976)
South Viet Nam  ( State of Viet Nam)   1955-1976
Socialistic Republic of Viet Nam 1976-nowdays

this  also will be right  separation.

I would guess that the reason the North Vietnamese coins are listed under "Vietnam" is that the North won the war, so one could argue that the unified postwar Socialist Republic was essentially the same regime as the northern Democratic Republic.

The 'rebel' designation for the 1945-1946 issue is answered by the first article you cited. The government under Ho Chi Minh at the time was not internationally recognized,  and the French quickly reestablished effective (albeit temporary) control of the country.

AH okay, but I still think we should add a new country, North Vietnam.

Both North Vietnam & South Vietnam need to be listed,as they were separate countries that united in 1975 to form the modern country of Vietnam.

Aidan.

Unification is always tricky.

When Germany unified, West Germany was dominant and the former East simply joined as a few new states. There's no listing for "United Germany" because West Germany (a.k.a. Federal Republic of Germany) never changed its name even after absorbing the East.

So I think North Vietnam, the dominant half of Vietnam that won the war and absorbed the other half, should be listed in the same entry as today's Vietnam.

Quote: nalaberongSo I think North Vietnam, the dominant half of Vietnam that won the war and absorbed the other half, should be listed in the same entry as today's Vietnam.

This is the correct answer. Xavier and I decided to keep Annam, North Vietnam, and Vietnam as one country several years ago. nalaberong explains the reason why.

I'd have to disagree:

As per nalaberong assessment, North Viet Nam should be separated ..

When East and West Germany united, West Germany did not change their country's name. East Germany was absorbed into The "Federal Republic of Germany" (a.k.a West Germany).  

When North and South Vietnam United, the name was changed to "Vietnam".  Had South Vietnam been absorbed into North Vietnam without a name change then I would agree, but as it is/was, there are/were 3 distinct countries in accordance with their naming:  South Vietnam, North Vietnam and Vietnam  and should be listed as such.

Yes, South part was absorbed  by  North part ( by winner) ,
Yes, country changed  the name, but it  doesnot say that  structure  was changed. It was not  like Bysantine Empire -  Ottoman Empire.
North Part was  the same as  whole Viet Nam befor separation. So I think Numista is  right inthis  part.

In this case we must  devide   many countries, For example - Yugoslavia.  The country name was changed at least 10 time Why we dont have country " Serbia- Montenegro"  for example ?   This discussion will  take us in dead end.  
( sorry for english - if someone dont understand my English -  the  conclusion - " I agree with Numista"   )

Quote: Dato MikeladzeYes, South part was absorbed  by  North part ( by winner) ,
Yes, country changed  the name, but it  doesnot say that  structure  was changed. It was not  like Bysantine Empire -  Ottoman Empire.
North Part was  the same as  whole Viet Nam befor separation. So I think Numista is  right inthis  part.

In this case we must  devide   many countries, For example - Yugoslavia.  The country name was changed at least 10 time Why we dont have country " Serbia- Montenegro"  for example ?   This discussion will  take us in dead end.  
( sorry for english - if someone dont understand my English -  the  conclusion - " I agree with Numista"   )

Yeah but Yugoslavia is a difficult story.

Serbia-Montenegro is apart, as the common state did not use a unique currency: Serbia minted its own currency, while Montenegro used the Euro currency before secession.