Tortola countermarked coins - standard circulation or emergency coins?

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This message aims at: requesting the modification of a coin in the catalogue

Status: Rejected
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Just received some CR to change the type of coins for Tortola countermarked coins: 

https://en.numista.com/catalogue/tortola-1.html

 

Are these coins should be moved to new category: Coins › Official necessity coins or should we keep them as before as std circulation coins?

I'm not a big specialist for XIX century colonial coins and not familiar at all with emergency coinage, so I prefer to check your opinion before I change this for all related pages. I checked how it looks on other countermarked/counterstamped coins: it's different: part are emergency and parta are std circulation (maybe because not yet changed?).

 

@Xavier @Jarcek,  @Compendium and others, what do you think?

I would say it depends. Some coins were countermarked because country needed to certify that this particular coin is legal tender in the country. Is it making it a necessity coin?

Catalogue administrator

The necessity coin category is a subset of the emergency coin category which is for coins issued “in an emergency situation”. Did the change request identify the emergency?

 

If counterstamping was done out of convenience with no emergency the coins should stay as standard circulation coins.

in the request was nothing specific, I asked and answer was: “these issues were not struck but counterstruck, cut, etc they are emergency issues meant to fill a coin shortage, as are the other coins on the site. This category had not existed prior but applies to these issues and they all belong in this category”

 

I guess this topic from sister-forum can help: http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/index.php/topic,52347.msg330346.html#msg330346

Like many items, they don't fit precisely into either group.

Not really standard circulation or emergency coins, here's why…

 

Not standard circulation: These coins weren't officially minted by a government specifically for use in Tortola. Instead, they were originally Spanish colonial coins that were repurposed and countermarked locally to meet specific needs.

 

Not strictly emergency coins: Emergency coins are typically issued during times of crisis, like wars or economic turmoil, when regular currency is unavailable. While there was a shortage of small denomination currency in Tortola, these countermarked coins weren’t created in response to a sudden emergency but rather as a practical, longer-term solution for local commerce.

 

Essentially, they fall into the category of token-like currency, adapted by locals to suit the unique economic conditions of Tortola at the time.

-Dan
Status changed to Rejected (Compendium, 11 Mar 2025, 01:35)

They should stay normal circulation 

I found that history explanations of dates 1801 1805 1824

http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/index.php?topic=52347.0

 

Link with overall shortage but not specific crisis

Emergency currency (or rather necessity currency) doesn't need a crisis of the level of war or a siege, just a smaller one like “damn … we ran out of small change, let's make our own” is sufficient. 

Idolenz

Emergency currency (or rather necessity currency) doesn't need a crisis of the level of war or a siege, just a smaller one like “damn … we ran out of small change, let's make our own” is sufficient. 

I understand what you say but on Numista we don't sort them like that (unless Xavier wants to change)

This logic would impact a lot of coins, and let us enter infinite debate about which is what.

Example https://en.numista.com/catalogue/series.php?id=9186

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