United States currency

Hello,

Please can we amende the currency for United States.

Now it's :

Dollar (1785-date)

100 Cents = 1 Dollar

But what about this coin in Stella?

So I propose:

Dollar (1785-date)

100 Cents = 1 Dollar • 4 Dollars = 1 Stella

A Stella was never legal tender. 

So why this coin is the coin catalog if the currency was never released?

Because it was a pattern for a proposed coin that never went beyond the pattern stage. 

Created for a possible Monetary Union that never happened… never heard of it until now.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stella_(United_States_coin)

I see no reason why they are not in exonumia coin patterns.

There are 709 coin patterns in the exonumia catalog.  There are 8,380 coin patterns in the coin catalog.  Why one vs. the other?

Numista is full of inconsistencies, guidelines change, things get listed differently at different times, under different thought processes by different people, and going back and correcting everything previously listed would be a full time job.

One can only hope that in the fullness of time, with enough people working to the same guidelines this will become less of an issue. 😇

inc7007

 

One can only hope that in the fullness of time, with enough people working to the same guidelines this will become less of an issue. 😇

Agree but the key is “the same guidelines.” Currently the guidelines are open to any interpretation one wants to use.

For categorization purpose in the Numista catalogue, coin patterns and trial strikes that look like a complete coin (both obverse and reverse are struck) and with a real coin design (the design was intended for a real coin, even if it may not have been selected for definitive coinage, and even if it may have a small inscription “trial” or equivalent) are listed in the “Coins” category (example). Other kinds of patterns and trial strikes are listed in the “Exonumia” category (examples: non real coin design, non complete coin).

That's as clear as mud.

rsirian1

inc7007

 

One can only hope that in the fullness of time, with enough people working to the same guidelines this will become less of an issue. 😇

Agree but the key is “the same guidelines.” Currently the guidelines are open to any interpretation one wants to use.

 

For categorization purpose in the Numista catalogue, coin patterns and trial strikes that look like a complete coin (both obverse and reverse are struck) and with a real coin design (the design was intended for a real coin, even if it may not have been selected for definitive coinage, and even if it may have a small inscription “trial” or equivalent) are listed in the “Coins” category (example). Other kinds of patterns and trial strikes are listed in the “Exonumia” category (examples: non real coin design, non complete coin).

 

That's as clear as mud.

I agree the definition is a bit long but with examples it comes easier. Would you have links of items that you'd wish to know where to sort them?

The Stella coin linked in this thread is belonging to coins from the guidelines: “look like a complete coin (both obverse and reverse are struck) and with a real coin design (the design was intended for a real coin, even if it may not have been selected for definitive coinage)”

But we should not include very rare denominations to the main descriptions of currencies; a simple comment in the Stella page itself is enough :-)

This “coin” in question is a good example of non-definitive guidelines or guidelines not fully understood. inc7007 thinks it belongs in Exonumia, you think it belongs in Coins.  So two prominent Numista team members, both working to the same guidelines, come up with different answers.  

rsirian1

That's as clear as mud.

Err, yup.

One issue with the guidelines, is that they receive incremental changes frequently, and nobody has the time to re-read them in full every time - I would assume (it could be just me) that they go on their own recollection of what the guidelines were when last they read them, occasionally reading specific sections to refresh.

Really needs a change log link - right at the top of the page.

On [whatever date] guideline [whatever number] was changed from: [text]to: [text]

That way everyone can acquaint themselves with the new way of doing things.

“and even if it may have a small inscription “trial” or equivalent) are listed in the “Coins” category”

OK, noted, that would not have been on my list of things that are coins, but it is now.

You are right a versions log would be great :-)