Quote: Mark240590I just found out about this today.. It used to fall on what is now my birthday XD
Sad to say I'm old enough to remember it. It had been officially renamed Commonwealth Day but nobody called it that.
As schoolboys we had to pick a country from the huge swathes of pink on the map which covered an entire wall of the classroom and gather articles, coins, stamps, old letters, postcards and pictures. Then you had to prepare a presentation. The whole village was decked out in Union Jacks with street parties an' all that good stuff.
By the late 1960's it was not politically correct to recall the glories of The Empire and it passed along with so much of our unique cutlure.
It was Queen Victoria's birthday long before it was yours young feller.
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Quote: pnightingaleBy the late 1960's it was not politically correct to recall the glories of The Empire and it passed along with so much of our unique cutlure.
Tea and crumpets still around? If so, not all has been lost.
We have a Cricket team right here in Pinellas County so all is not lost. Sadly we don't have any opponents. Tried teaching the visitors from up North but, well you can imagine.
Rugby too but I'm much too old and delicate for any o' that and the local felons insist on playing it wearing motorcycle helmets and what looks like an exoskeleton. Maybe that's why they have to pause every 15 seconds.
Rodney Marsh and the magnificent George Best both played football, real football, (sawker, for the benefit of our Yanquis) right here in Tampa Bay.
We have a couple of English "pubs" and an olde English shoppe which does indeed sell crumpets.
It's owned by a Cuban called Pedro.
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A lot of people are so consumed by political correctness they fail to see what is in front of them. A lot of former colonies are in civil unrest, which were prosperous once upon a time, we brought a lot of stability to the colonies and encouraged growth, yes I also admit that there were a lot of things that we don't have to be proud of but such is the same with any civilisation. The world could be a much better place if we went back to the colonial era after we lost the 13, because I agree that as British citizens it was a disgrace to force taxes upon them that otherwise was not acceptable by any standards.
I am not one to be known for political correctness. However, I will say that while there were some good for the colonies, there were many injustices. Generally speaking, I think the British took more from the colonies than they gave too the colonies.
True but why would they take an interest if they weren't gunna turn a profit, its not really any different to the yanks going into Vietnam getting there buttocks handed to them, calling it a draw then using the fact that they were war ravaged to build American owned factories there its corporate imperialism ! Where is the justice in paying someone to make a pair of Nike air max trainers £1 a week or what ever then selling them for £100+ there isn't any freebies in this world I was told by a wise man when I was a kid and its so true its a shame !
I'm not saying it does, slavery was one of the worst I can imagine..
However we needn't really live In the past and carry chips or indeed forests on our shoulders we live in the 21st century where most people are treated as equals however there are certain minorities who are getting away with too much bad public showings etc (I know they aren't representing all of their race but I don't like it) we should be able to live happily now knowing what happened in the past should enable us to move on
You are all making the common error of assuming that everything has a material value. It's true that Britain imported raw materials from the colonies, manufactured them in the North and Midlands then exported them at a massive profit. That's the benefit of being the first nation to industrialise, it has nothing to do with explotation, colonialiasm or other PC nonsense. It's how the world works.
The world still works that way but the benevolent paternalism of English rule is now replaced by American corporatism or Chinese exploitation. If anyone thinks that is an improvement, take a cold long look at the 3rd world.
In the days of Empire we did not seek to steal a countries wealth by installing a corrupt thug like Mugabe and bribing him to sign away the countries resources while the population starved. No, we set up a framework of government, built roads, schools, water supplies and paid a fair price for resources. The Pax Brittania and a legal system based on justice are things beyond monetary value.
I'm proud of my country's history and tired of seeing it denigrated by the modern media and academic world.
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Quote: pnightingaleI'm proud of my country's history and tired of seeing it denigrated by the modern media and academic world.
There is much to be proud about in terms of British history. There is also much that was shameful.
Like bringing the light of civilisation to the world and ending slavery, that kind of thing?
What is shameful is that which is taught as History in US schools. Cleary you have the same problem in Canada. Is the world a better place since the post war US administrations imposed their ideals of Dynamic Self Determination on the British Empire? Those countries which kept their ties exist now as prosperous democracies, those who followed the US lead are famine racked and war torn. Yep, removing the evil British influence was real smart and the millions who have died in war and famine since 1945 will be very grateful.
I've seen the world soldier man and much of it isn't pretty, in fact much of it is dirt, squalor, war and hunger. For two hundred years a small island nation lifted the darkness and brought peace and justice. If you find that shameful it would be ironic as you are currently living in a country made possible by British blood and steel.
You don't have to be grateful, just don't assume what you learn from Hollywood is the same as legitimate history.
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Look at South Africa now since they beat away the white South African farmers its destitute ! Africa didnt follow on from where we left off most if the nations leaped back 200 years. When you look at other countries like India, Australia and indeed Canada..
Got to agree with Mark there. The biggest mistake we made in South Africa was giving them independence and leaving the bigoted Boer farmers to run the place and beat down the native population. But we can all be grateful that, thanks to (Lord) Nelson and the ANC, they got their come-uppance.
Just because you can't see it ... doesn't mean it isn't there - Anon.
It's political crap anyway when you look back T it its hard to avoid especially when the world we live in today is so greatly different in every manner !
Quote: bam777You guys...this is a valued lesson in history but it is getting a little too political. Down let me get the BAM hammer out.
Sorry my dear fellow. I may live abroad but I know where my heart lies.
Considering that almost every coin minted has a image on it of a political figure and that history is created by a combination of war and politics it's hard to avoid the subject. As an English Patriot I find it impossible to stand by and watch my country and it's history being denigrated by the uneducated. I don't mean any disrespect to them, they quite naturally assume that what is taught in schools and presented by Hollywood is based on some truth. If you have ever watched movies such as Mel Gibson's "The Patriot" that should give you some idea of what I mean. My wrath is directed at those who propogate the myth of British atrocities to justify their own.
It's interesting to consider the relative fates of South Africa and Rhodesia. While it's undeniable that blacks in South Africa were treated badly by the Boers, in Rhodesia every child had a free education, their parents had jobs and to a limited degree they were allowed political representation with Parliamentary seats reserved for them. In short Rhodesia was a good example of how British traditions and justice could be transplanted to a colony with great success.
Today South Africa still exists while Rhodesia has turned into the modern nightmare of Zimbabwe. From a prosperous, healthy county which exported food to almost the entire continent, to a bankrupt dictatorship with a wealthy elite and a population dying from cholera and starvation. If Ian Douglas Smith (RIP) were black he would be regarded as the greatest leader Africa ever produced. That isn't just my opinion, it's a quote from Morgan Tsvangirai, the current (black) Prime Minister.
In being the first true superpower since the fall of Rome and holding that position for almost 200 years there is of course plenty of scope for mistakes. What is remarkable is not that errors happened but that there were so few. The Lancaster House Agreement which forced Mugabe into power is something the British should be ashamed of.
It annoys me greatly to see young people regurgitating the myth of evil colonialism they have been taught. The world is now a different place and old times will not return, British power has been destroyed from within so we are no longer a threat to the new order. Let them run the world for a while but let's stop pretending that independance / liberation ushered in a bright new dawn. It didn't. look around you.
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What was building up as an interesting discussion, has turned into a gay, postcard worthy topic.
Is it true, and does it make sense that, without anyone complaining or making derogatory comments, the forum policy should be enforced and hinder discussions? There is no "quality of discussion"...
Maybe, someone should ask why members who are willing to engage in discussions, are feeling like it's not worth their time and effort, due to the unrelaxed and hyperactive enforcement on the forum.
I have chosen to sit this one out and I will continue to write less and less, especially since it is evident that voicing ones opinions about anything other than "Sunshine, Lollipops and Rainbows", will be jumped on before anyone actually complains. There really isn't much point in reading either, knowing that a good and interesting topic might be stopped in its tracks. Waste of time, if you ask me.
I've never really thought there was much of a problem with the moderating of posts. It stops people from getting carried away and saying things they may regret ! In the case of this I don't think much if any has been required, alot of us Brits who are happy too say we are Brits will always stand up for our glorious history and it annoys us to hear it rubbished so granted it may get heated. I'm sure its part of the reason why we never do well in the Eurovision Song Contest either. Everyone hates us !
Quote: Mark240590I've never really thought there was much of a problem with the moderating of posts. It stops people from getting carried away and saying things they may regret ! In the case of this I don't think much if any has been required, alot of us Brits who are happy too say we are Brits will always stand up for our glorious history and it annoys us to hear it rubbished so granted it may get heated. I'm sure its part of the reason why we never do well in the Eurovision Song Contest either. Everyone hates us !
I did not intend to make any other comment on this topic, however, I felt compeled to do so. I do not have any ill feelings toward the British. In fact, I have great respect for the British and the Royal family. I have served alongside many British soldiers and they have always done their country proud. The point that I was making earlier is that when one country moves into another country and dominates it, there are always pro and cons .. good and bad ... for those being "colonized". When I fought under the Canadian flag, I fought for country and Queen and I was proud to do so.
Yeah I mentioned earlier that no country would do this without any money coming in this was especially proving by administrating companies.. Like British north borneo co, east India co etc..
The thing is like Phil says there's no progress been made since by alot of countries if it wasn't for other world powers pushing for de-colonisation more countries would be in a better state now. All the colonial powers did do alot for this world too though like the railways in Africa and India etc.. Although we did abolish slavery (a good thing) we did also have slaves before that which is wrong but it was the way of the world for thousands of years. In not condoning everything but the pictures of them are painted as the dark ages when really for alot if it were the glory days when countries started to revolt.. Alot of the rebels were educated by the system placed by us or British- (what ever) mixed races.
Quote: Mark240590Yeah I mentioned earlier that no country would do this without any money coming in this was especially proving by administrating companies.. Like British north borneo co, east India co etc..
The thing is like Phil says there's no progress been made since by alot of countries if it wasn't for other world powers pushing for de-colonisation more countries would be in a better state now. All the colonial powers did do alot for this world too though like the railways in Africa and India etc.. Although we did abolish slavery (a good thing) we did also have slaves before that which is wrong but it was the way of the world for thousands of years. In not condoning everything but the pictures of them are painted as the dark ages when really for alot if it were the glory days when countries started to revolt.. Alot of the rebels were educated by the system placed by us or British- (what ever) mixed races.
"just don't assume what you learn from Hollywood is the same as legitimate history. " Love this, read instead of watch, and even then think for your self.
"we set up a framework of government, built roads, schools, water supplies and paid a fair price for resources. " good point, and why would this be a political statement? when did history become politics?
"If you want to let spurious comments, plagiarised information, racist and derogatory comments"
where did this happen? don't see any of that in this thread?
I must agree with torontokuba that the forum has gotten dry, if two people speak they will disagree, that's not a bad thing, as long as they are civil. this was a good thread with intelligent thought, shouldn't have gotten shut down
Taking a break from swapping for a while, but still interested in pre 1799 Spanish coins, I will make time for that!
"just don't assume what you learn from Hollywood is the same as legitimate history. " Love this, read instead of watch, and even then think for your self.
"we set up a framework of government, built roads, schools, water supplies and paid a fair price for resources. " good point, and why would this be a political statement? when did history become politics?
"If you want to let spurious comments, plagiarised information, racist and derogatory comments"
where did this happen? don't see any of that in this thread?
I must agree with torontokuba that the forum has gotten dry, if two people speak they will disagree, that's not a bad thing, as long as they are civil. this was a good thread with intelligent thought, shouldn't have gotten shut down
Well, I am sorry about this. I didn't mean for the discussion to disipate completely...however, some of the comments I made were directed at a particular member only...no longer posting on the forum.
To put matters into perspective, a very interesting discussion on a different coin forum was closed, then partially deleted, because some pompous arse of a moderator decided that referencing dead people was against the rules.
Think about the implications of that.
Needless to say I am no longer an active participant there.
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Quote: pnightingaleTo put matters into perspective, a very interesting discussion on a different coin forum was closed, then partially deleted, because some pompous arse of a moderator decided that referencing dead people was against the rules.
Think about the implications of that.
Needless to say I am no longer an active participant there.
Quote: pnightingaleTo put matters into perspective, a very interesting discussion on a different coin forum was closed, then partially deleted, because some pompous arse of a moderator decided that referencing dead people was against the rules.
Think about the implications of that.
Needless to say I am no longer an active participant there.
I am not that bad, am I?
By comparison you are a veritable Solomon.
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"I am not that bad, am I?" I am sure you have your work cut out for you, and you do a great job, we really appreciate you and your hard work, but perhaps be a little more free in free discussion?
I hope torontokuba will post whatever he likes and find out if its ok
Taking a break from swapping for a while, but still interested in pre 1799 Spanish coins, I will make time for that!
Quote: redsmithstudiosI must agree with torontokuba...
Quote: redsmithstudiosI hope torontokuba will post whatever he likes and find out if its ok
Again, thank you, I appreciate the support. You guys have to stop or I'm going to get an even bigger head.
After a few down to earth private messages, bam777 and I decided we're going to couples counselling. You can follow our progress and behaviour right here on the forum. At this point, I do not see a need to rock the boat/forum any further and I do not plan on holding back in any discussions. Currently, everything seems to be ok from where I sit.
I understand, on the Free Discussion side. I endeavour to be more lenient...however, I try to be objective and I think although people will agree, there may well be a percentage that take offense. I suppose I was premature on this thread in particular; but you have to watch certain rotten apples so they don't taint the others. And NO, I don't mean torontokuba...(Not protecting him) but him and I did have a discussion which made our positions clear...(Well worthwhile).
Quote: pnightingaleBy the late 1960's it was not politically correct to recall the glories of The Empire and it passed along with so much of our unique cutlure.
Tea and crumpets still around? If so, not all has been lost.
Yes, also Lemonade and Cricket although the summers we have been having lately have meant its been to wet to play.
