Help identify medieval token (French - Bishopric of Therouanne 14th c.) [solved]

HI,

Is anyone able to help me identify the coin / token below ? State is poor, but got in a bulk lot, and think it may be French or German ?

Appears to have a Fleur de lis cross on one side, and a shield with 3 bags / sacks (?) inside on the other ?

Size approx 24mm

many thanks,

cheers

Looking a bit closer, one side has 3 bishop mitres, or hats, in a shield ….. not bags 😂

I can find a few tokens with the Fleur de lis cross , but none that appear to match the other side (closest I came was 3 more Fleur de lis in a shield) …..

https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=8464227

(From search on terms jeton evêché)

tdziemia

https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=8464227

 

(From search on terms jeton evêché)

Thank you, not sure how you found that 🙏do you know a rough age / time frame for it ?

XIVth century

Frenchlover

XIVth century

Thank you 🙏 

Coincoll22

tdziemia

https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=8464227

 

(From search on terms jeton evêché)

Thank you, not sure how you found that 

In my limited experience with these jetons, the fleur-de-lis cross is often French or Low Countries.  When you identified the objects in the shields as bishop's miters, I figured that it might have been struck in a bishopric.  I first searched “jeton Cambrai” and “jeton Beauvais” since these Bishoprics would have fit what I was thinking.

 When those did not turn up anything, I tried the more generic  “jeton evêché” hoping to turn up something from an auction that would list in French, like Elsen or CGB.  If it was a German token, that search probably also would have missed, but I got lucky.

I think it's the power of this forum that we have people from different places attacking puzzles like this with different experience bases, and different search approaches. 

And you did a lot of the work by determining the design elements we could use in searches.

tdziemia

Coincoll22

tdziemia

https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=8464227

 

(From search on terms jeton evêché)

Thank you, not sure how you found that 

In my limited experience with these jetons, the fleur-de-lis cross is often French or Low Countries.  When you identified the objects in the shields as bishop's miters, I figured that it might have been struck in a bishopric.  I first searched “jeton Cambrai” and “jeton Beauvais” since these Bishoprics would have fit what I was thinking.

 When those did not turn up anything, I tried the more generic  “jeton evêché” hoping to turn up something from an auction that would list in French, like Elsen or CGB.  If it was a German token, that search probably also would have missed, but I got lucky.

 

I think it's the power of this forum that we have people from different places attacking puzzles like this with different experience bases, and different search approaches. 

 

And you did a lot of the work by determining the design elements we could use in searches.

Wow, thank you for taking the time to research for me. I did eventually find my other query, which was another mid 14th century French token, with a Moor’s head on the obverse.

When you mark your post “Solved,” please also edit the title to give the result.  This helps others in the future to find similar items.  

So, for this one, maybe change to “Help identify medieval token (Bishopric of Therouanne 14th c.)”

tdziemia

When you mark your post “Solved,” please also edit the title to give the result.  This helps others in the future to find similar items.  

 

So, for this one, maybe change to “Help identify medieval token (Bishopric of Therouanne 14th c.)”

Will do - how do I edit the title ? Couldn’t see an option to update the title …. Thanks

 Go to your first message - top right are four symbols. 

The second one is a pen. That is the edit symbol. 

ZacUK

 Go to your first message - top right are four symbols. 

The second one is a pen. That is the edit symbol. 

Thanks Zac …. I’ve edited my last 7 or 8 solved posts. That’s a good idea ….. if you haven’t already, is it worth adding to the forum guide ?