Cookie99
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Posted: 4 Jun 2022, 21:12
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Hi
i discovered my first hammered coin on Friday and would appreciate some help identifying it.

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Posted: 4 Jun 2022, 22:27
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I rotated / cropped / brightened the pictures. Then started adding some letters:
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ZacUK
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Posted: 4 Jun 2022, 23:21
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Added a little more. Fairly sure lower right is E letter on obverse:
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ZacUK
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Posted: 4 Jun 2022, 23:25
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What is the diameter? It may be Scottish, such as this …
N#121551 [25mm]
IACOBVS 5 DEI GRA REX SCOTOR // OPPIDVM EDINBVRGI
which fits with the lettering so far, and the E letter lower right.
Denomination depends on the size.
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Posted: 4 Jun 2022, 23:40
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Lastly, from that, I added more to the shield side (reverse) …
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Cookie99
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Posted: 4 Jun 2022, 23:51
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Size below
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Posted: 4 Jun 2022, 23:59
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Now slightly cleaner

ZacUK
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Posted: 5 Jun 2022, 06:59
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😒 Really? Just a picture showing around 18mm, and two cleaner pictures?
No word of thanks for all I have done so far?
I guess it is a Third Groat which is 17mm diameter:
N#90363
I think a Groat was Four Pennies. So nine [of your coin] would make One Shilling.
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ZacUK
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Posted: 5 Jun 2022, 07:51
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groat_(coin)
That earlier link is for a slightly different obverse lettering coin, but it is generally the same.
IACOBVS 5 DEI GRA R SCOTOR // OPPIDV EDINBVRGI [link]
IACOBVS ? DEI GR R SCOTORI // OPPIDV EDINBVRGI [yours]
Lettering: Red= known, Green = missing
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Cookie99
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Posted: 5 Jun 2022, 08:25
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I really appreciate all of your help and meant to say last night. We had guests around, and I was trying to message without being too rude.
im guessing that finding a Scottish groat in central England (near Towcester) isn’t too unusual?
Thanks Again!
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Posted: 5 Jun 2022, 09:09
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OK. Thanks. I changed below slightly the above reply:
"That earlier link is for a slightly different obverse lettering coin, but it is generally the same.
IACOBVS 5 DEI GRA R SCOTOR // OPPIDV EDINBVRGI [link]
IACOBVS ? DEI GR R SCOTORV // OPPIDV EDINBVRGI [yours]"
where the last obverse letter is not I but V as I have since seen that on other coins.
· Unabridged lettering:
IACOBVS 5 DEI GRATIA REX SCOTORVM // OPPIDVM EDINBVRGIVM
JACOBUS 5 DEI GRATIA REX SCOTORUM // OPPIDUM EDINBURGIUM
· Latin translation:
James 5th., by the Grace of God, King of Scotland // Town of Edinburgh
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ZacUK
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Posted: 5 Jun 2022, 09:31
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Lastly, so from the topic title, it is not James I but James V …
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_V_of_Scotland [1512 - 1542]
James I of England was later, and was also James VI of Scotland …
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_VI_and_I [1566 - 1625]
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Posted: 5 Jun 2022, 11:20
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I'm amazed and impressed about your work on that coin👍 ZacUK, simply fantastic.
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Posted: 5 Jun 2022, 11:23
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Thanks, I had time - nothing much on television!
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Posted: 5 Jun 2022, 11:27
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ZacUK
Thanks, I had time - nothing much on television!
The Diamond parties have finished? I went to London last week and enjoyed 4 days without rain.
Take care
Ole
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Posted: 5 Jun 2022, 14:18
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ZacUK that is really Amazing, you are an asset here. Thank you very much. I like to read your answers. You go in alot of details
It is, what it is, or is it.
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