Isle of Man 1 crown listing

I listed three I.O.Man coins
as I thought right km1025 - km1029 - km1016
only to find them listed in with £s -pounds NOT CROWNS
I see others have had same problem WHY??
is it because of
1- issuing country
( as two listed) but as not bullion selected other. OR is it United kingdom as they minted them
2- denomination --- why
3- are there other people like me ---CONFUSED

phill
 

Crowns are a Pre-decimal unit.

They were once worth a 1/4 of a pound. However, in the 90's they decided to revalue it to 5 Pounds because of its size compared to other decimal British coins.

From what I can make out, you are both right.

SmartOneKg is correct when he describes the difference between the old pre-decimal crowns and the more recent £5 crown-sized coins but that is generally only true in relation to UK circulation coinage. The Crown was indeed equal to 5 shillings and the last Crown was issued in 1965 to commemorate the death of Sir Winston Churchill. There were four decimal commemorative crowns, issued in 1972, 1977, 1980 and 1981, which had a face value of 25 New Pence, but the value of the 28g of metal and the cost to produce them began to far outstrip their nominal face value. Consequently, the next crown sized coin was issued in 1990 with a face value of £5 and the Royal Mint have been churning them out in their thousands ever since (!)

However, yorkie is also right, in that the Isle of Man pages are a complete mess! You have circulation coinage mixed in with fantasy coinage, pounds mixed in with crowns and it is in dire need of tidying up. If I am reading Krause correctly, after 1971 we should have one section for pounds and pence (1 pound = 100 pence), which is the section for regular circulation coinage, albeit sprinkled with numerous commemorative issues. At the end of that section we should have another section for Crown issues, which have been churned out in their hundreds of thousands by the Pobjoy Mint, a private mint guilty of some of the most extraordinarily crass, commercialized exploitation of the coin collecting community (and I use the term "coin" very loosely).

Then, after the end of the hundreds and hundreds of different Crown issues (my Krause has over 70 pages of IOM issues!) then there are the Angel and Noble issues. Like I said it is in a major need of a tidy up, but if we structure the pages in the same manner as Krause it should be a fairly straightforward, if time-consuming, re-organisation. Regards, Rick

Thanks for replies.
Also had problems with Alderney listings. To get it in some order it had to be listed - issued by Guernsey!!!!
What's that about?????
back to I.O.Man
ok revised coinage but......
IF described as a crown should be in crown category!!!!!! not in 1 pounds.
as they only give two options in issuing
I.O.M  bullion or pre decimal 1971-date
they will always be mixed
Also add cupro crown but that's gone wrong to KM1016 dragon.
that should have been next to it's sister coin km1016a silver issue.
It makes it harder to locate coins if wanted or for trade. JUST A MESS
yorkie

 I changed the following from unit (Face value / in figure form) of 1 to unit of 0.25 as 1990 was mentioned above - as in up to 1989 was 25 pence and 1990 became 5 pounds.
1981  KM# 73  KM# 75  KM# 76
    So now Isle of Man goes up to  - 1 crown - 50 pence - 1 pound - 2 pounds - 5 pounds  in order.
  I see they are listed as in what is on the coins - so 25 pence is on 1972 and 1975 coins but confusingly 1974 has crown on them. Starting 1976 they all then have crown on them. So 1989 crown is KM# 250 then on the page the next crown is 1990 and KM# 267 which I think is now a crown-sized five pound coin (still marked crown though). Will have to look up if anywhere it definitively says the answer.

  The coins I think should have the value unit moved from 0.25 to 5 are
1990  KM# 267 267b 269 270 271 272 275 283 284
1991  KM# 291 292
1992  KM# 310 312 313 332
1993  KM# 353
1994  KM# 380
1995  KM# 439 440 446 510 524
1996  KM# 556 556a 558.2a 621
1997  KM# 774 780 799
1998  KM# 816 857
1999  KM# 920 966
2000  KM# 1016a 1051 1056
2001  KM# 1072 1081
2002  KM# 1111 1119
2003  KM# 1165
2004  KM# 1224 1246
2005  KM# 1266 1267
2006  KM# 1290a Unknown
2007  KM# 1307
2008  KM# 1424 Unknown
2009  KM# 1378 1415
2010  KM# 1426
2011  KM# 1440
2012  KM# Unknown
  Just a list for my reference later on!
Confusingly Krause has (in the crown section) 1989 as KM# 273 then continues (still in crown section) where 1990 goes to an earlier number KM# 267 for example. BUT that section does stop at 1990 with last entry as KM# 284 so perhaps in 1991 they began the five pound value in I.O.M.
  So another list for my reference is Krause for the years ...
1989  KM# 240 241 242 243 246 247 248 249 250 273
1990  KM# 267 269 270 271 272 275 283 also 220 and 307 plus 284
  then in 2011 a one-off KM# 1485 back in crown section, for some reason.

Another hour since I wrote all that, and cannot find an answer anywhere. Yes pre-1990 applies to UK coin but maybe I.O.M. is different, and they are all 25 pence; or maybe 1990 is the start of five pounds, or maybe 1991 is. There are KM# 150 and 215 among others that have five pounds value stamped on them, so they are easy enough. Anyone else have any thoughts ?!

 Well - that long list above that I made last week was a waste of time.      
A nice lady in the Isle of Man Government today sent me an email (see below) saying ALL crowns from there are just 25 pence face value. So if it has a 5 pounds face value then naturally it will say five pounds on the coin - so they are not like the UK crowns (25p before 1990 and £5 after).

-----Original Message-----
From: Wilson, Marie
Sent: 28 August 2012 10:45
To: [ZacUK]
Subject: Isle of Man Crowns

Dear [ZacUK],

Thank you for your interest in Isle of Man Crowns.

I can confirm that our Isle of Man Crowns can be exchanged at our agents, the Isle of Man Bank for a value of 25p. Unlike the United Kingdom, our Commemorative Crowns have always had a value of 25p when exchanged, this has never changed. We do also have a circulating £5 coin, which could technically be used in local shops, but these are mostly held by collectors.

For your information, if you wish to exchange some Isle of Man crowns the postal address and email address for the Isle of Man Bank cash centre is:-

Email CashCentreIOM@rbsint.com

THE MANAGER
Cash Centre
Isle of Man Bank
2 Athol Street
Douglas
Isle of Man
IM99 3ED

I hope this information has answered your query.

Kind regards

Marie Wilson

Marie Wilson
Administration Officer,
Investments and Banking Section,
Treasury Finance Division,
Isle of Man Government,
3rd Floor, St Andrew's House,
Finch Road,
Douglas,
Isle of Man,
IM1 2PX.

thank you zacuk  

 Thanks James.
Can everyone who wrote above please check all Isle of Man pages again - I think they are all correct now.
I made several amendments; think I got them all. Let me know on here if I missed any.    

You have obviously spent a considerable amount of time and effort trying to tidy up the Isle Of Man pages for which we all should be very grateful. There still needs to be some rationalisation on the currency sections, which I believe has to be done by the Site Administrator, and it is unfortunate that so many sheets have been created without images attached (one of my pet peeves, I'm afraid!). Thanks again, ZacUK :)

 I noticed strange currency sections as well. Some were listed in IoM but had the UK pound as the currency. There are two of the five IoM below which not sure what they are - highlighted in yellow and they have a ? in their name. Maybe some reason for them being there; anyway I know I can not, and would not, get involved in something so technical. Maybe someone higher up can delete those two if necessary. Thanks  

Quote: "ZacUK"​ Well - that long list above that I made last week was a waste of time.  :(
​A nice lady in the Isle of Man Government today sent me an email (see below) saying ALL crowns from there are just 25 pence face value. ...

​-----Original Message-----
​From: Wilson, Marie
​...
​
​I can confirm that our Isle of Man Crowns can be exchanged at our agents, the Isle of Man Bank for a value of 25p. Unlike the United Kingdom, our Commemorative Crowns have always had a value of 25p when exchanged, this has never changed.

So is there anything unclear with this?
There's still a mess with the crowns, some from before 1990 and from after 1990 are still entered as 5 pounds, I tried to change them all to 0.25 IMP with this forum topic as source, and it just got rejected without comment...

Actually, hundreds of IoM crowns are correctly entered as 25 pence, just a handful of coins are as 5 pounds, and they won't be changed. WHY?

Agreed - so I am right now changing those at the end of the list. There are 258 coins when searched for Crown, and the last two pages (6 and 7 when 50 coins per page) I am working down right now, to change 5 to 0.25 so hopefully in an hour it will be done.

EDIT: Finished - I think they are now all done.

Thanks!
Some 2 Crowns and 1/25 Crowns still need to be done.

Yes - I was just a minute ago looking down the whole country list (476 coins currently) and making some other changes, and I think all are now alright.

I love that this has been fixed. I love Isle of Man coins...you know...the Canadian Mint and the Australian mints are worse than Pobjoy could ever hope to be with crazy issues..

I'm still surprised that Numista would have a team member that seems to have the Midas touch of havoc. Shouldn't verifiers of information at least have some knowledge in the area they are verifying?

So in 1990 UK changed the face value for 1 crown coins from 25 pence to 5 pounds.

All Isle of Man crowns however still have a face value of 25 pence, confirmed by the manager of the Isle of Man Bank.

But what about the Crowns of Ascension Island?
In our catalogue the face value of the new 1 Crown coins (since 2013) have a face value of 5 Pounds.
Krause gives these 1 Crown coins a face value of 50 Pence.
Chiefa coins (http://www.chiefacoins.com/Database/Countries/Ascension_Island.htm) says the face value of these coins is still 25 Pence, like the older 1 Crown coins.

Adding an update here since this is the post I found in my first search attempt.

 

Isle of Man coins denominated in crowns dated 2017 and later are valued at 5 pounds/crown. Earlier coins are 25 pence/crown.

https://en.numista.com/forum/topic119089.html